Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[UncleDave]

If you watch the actual YouTube testimony you will find out what you are mistakenly responding to as "these phenomena" are people associated with our government and or contractors.
Everyone commenting would help if they watched the entire testimony.

I watched it twice and I read it as the gov, contractors and the phenomenon were all entwined in it.

Then it went down the " I cant talk about it in an open forum" road...

 

[alarmguy]

I watched it twice and I read it as the gov, contractors and the phenomenon were all entwined in it.

Then it went down the " I cant talk about it in an open forum" road...

Yes! I know you did! The person responding to you did not! I just included you so you we would see the comment and "text" of what I was responding to. I never doubted you for a minute I too watched it and gone back on parts and some day will watch it again.
Yeah it would be nice to keep this thread open. I mean, this really is a world event, the disclosure and I suspect many more moving forward. Time will tell.

 

[UncleDave]

Yes! I know you did! The person responding to you did not! I just included you so you we would see the comment and "text" of what I was responding to. I never doubted you for a minute I too watched it and gone back on parts and some day will watch it again.
Yeah it would be nice to keep this thread open. I mean, this really is a world event, the disclosure and I suspect many more moving forward. Time will tell.

It happens to me often I reply to many in a reply that looks like it specifically to one. I probably shouldn't do that so much.

This topic aside my observation that outside of electric cars we agree on far more than we disagree on.

Agreed. There is much more to share on this topic if we can keep it open and high level. I'll do my best on that front.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I do not. This is the worst outcome I can imagine for humanity.

In what way?

A shock to existing belief and political systems?

Some have suggested that events accelerated once we went nuclear (WW2) including instances where nuclear weapon systems were rendered inoperable. Keeping the world from annihilating itself might be a good idea.

For me personally I'd be interested in the power sources. Imagine if some of these power sources make fossil fuel power generation obsolete overnight.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

Just waiting for the big reveal. I know I saw alien technology UFO/UAP in the mid-late 1980s. Lengthy observation, low hovering, slow flying translucent large silent triangle, white lights on corners, ejected a red orb to earth.

Look, "they" are here, and have been for probably centuries. Many theories on that. It's clear to me humans have found crash sites, and studied the tech for decades. I have heard seemingly legit explanations as to how humans advanced so rapidly in technology, by studying alien tech to the best of our abilities.

I think guys like Bob Lazar are legit in their testimonies. Many of these witnesses, such as the Navy pilots from various videos, and others, have indicated that the videos released to public are the tip of the iceberg as to the videos and what has been recovered. I agree that we have been lied to and mislead by government for decades on this topic; it's too big to keep secret and, frankly, there's so much money involved I think .gov has realized the profitability in it versus the continued denials.

I eagerly await the big reveal and admissions we have been lied to. I won't hold my breath.

I do believe something is going on, but guys like Bob Lazaar are anything but legit. He's a conman that in the best case scenario worked briefly at Area 51, but installed alarms or did some IT and may have heard some rumors. He never had any real scientific background and most of his past history was deconstructed and debunked, he never had any record of attending MIT, and no the gov't couldn't just come in and erase his past as he claims. Guys like him are as much of an obstacle to getting to the "truth" as any real world "Smoking Man"..

 

[MolaKule]

Amazing job and kind of cool to actually see some of our representatives as human beings asking these questions. History was made today, its out in the open and undeniable. As one of the witnesses testified, he estimates only about 5% of pilots report because of fear of retribution. I suspect that will change now.

It's deniable until actual data in the form of credible, physical evidence is presented.

Furthermore, first hand knowledge of unexplained aircraft in our possession, first hand testimony of knowledge of un-human life forms found at some crash sites... based on what they have seen from some of these objects, we would be indefensible against them. They have shut down our aircraft radar systems, camera systems yet ship based systems have the data. If we fired a missile, one AF guy said they could just vanish.
They move so rapidly that a human being would not be able to survive the acceleration that they have seen from standing dead still to accelerating to Mach 1 or 2 that the jets were flying at, in the snap of a finger.

Amazing stuff.

Questions.

Where are these alleged UAPs and their inhabitants stored?

Was Grusch's testimony derived from credible witnesses and how were these witnesses vetted? This question was never asked.

We haven't fired any weapons at them so how do we know they would vanish? It appears that these objects have all appeared during training sessions.

I keep coming back to testimony that these events all seem to happen after that one software upgrade. Have any investigations been done to see if this software upgrade and these sightings have any correlation? This question was never asked and yes I watched the complete testimony.

Again we need a non-military, non-governmental scientific panel that can ask the proper questions and then try to answer these questions.

 

[UncleDave]

In what way?

A shock to existing belief and political systems?

Some have suggested that events accelerated once we went nuclear (WW2) including instances where nuclear weapon systems were rendered inoperable. Keeping the world from annihilating itself might be a good idea.

For me personally I'd be interested in the power sources. Imagine if some of these power sources make fossil fuel power generation obsolete overnight.

In the way that every technically superior group dominates the lesser group It wont end up with humanity in control of its own destiny.

I could care less about political or religious implications. It would actually be interesting to me to see how these entities would deal with this.

If some group of beings are somehow acting as set of intergalactic cops keeping us from killing one another that would be interesting, there is evidence to suggest "they" could simply shut off our stuff.

Perhaps "they" dont believe we're adult enough to handle the power side without misusing it.

 

[Astro14]

Are you skeptical of the mere existence of UAPs? There is miraculous evidence for this. It is well established and corroborated in official congressional reports. There are phenomena being investigated.

Don’t mix up the speculation with the facts. It’s not substantiated these are alien yet. But at this point there’s little doubt that certain documented observations are real.

Miraculous evidence for aerial phenomena.

Zero evidence of extraterrestrial origin.

The testimony so far has been conjecture on the nature and origin of these phenomena.

 

[alarmguy]

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Again we need a non-military, non-governmental scientific panel that can ask the proper questions and then try to answer these questions.

So how do you think we get "there"
Simple by exposing the truth as was done in Washington this week. You cant get answers until you can open the sources. You say you watched the video, then you know how brutal it has been to even get to this point of disclosure.

You cant have it all without starting someplace. It takes work and that work has just started which hopefully will lead to realize the information Congress seeks.
You cant have a scientific panel if the information is not given to them, here we have our own elected representatives being stonewalled and through legal challenges or threats of it obtained more information. We have an intelligence witness that claims his life felt threatened and actions taken against him and his family were bad but others suffered far worse.

I mean, really, I dont know but sometimes being too analytical one cant see a smoking gun. I see the smoke and I am pretty analytical. I think anyone open minded can.

 

[MolaKule]

So how do you think we get "there"

I have answered this question twice:

...Again we need a non-military, non-governmental scientific panel that can ask the proper questions and then try to answer these questions...

...I do think we need more transparency and we do need some kind of central UAP clearing house with triage (as Grusch explained). This UAP clearing house would be staffed by scientists from every field and discipline, whose sole purpose is to investigate the full context of these phenomenon. I.e, a UAP Manhattan type-Project if you will, staffed with people with sufficient clearances to burrow through the red tape...

Buster posted the Testimony in Post #13 so there is no need to keep reposting the video link:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/anyone-know-about-the-ufo-disclosure-project.371565/

 

[alarmguy]

I have answered this question twice:

...Again we need a non-military, non-governmental scientific panel that can ask the proper questions and then try to answer these questions...

...I do think we need more transparency and we do need some kind of central UAP clearing house with triage (as Grusch explained). This UAP clearing house would be staffed by scientists from every field and discipline, whose sole purpose is to investigate the full context of these phenomenon. I.e, a UAP Manhattan type-Project if you will, staffed with people with sufficient clearances to burrow through the red tape...
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Makes perfect sense but this conversation hasn't happened until the other day, after decades. This committee has brought forward the reasons why, let's hope it peals back the secrecy by letting the cat our of the bag. I personally believe the 3 people who testified whether or not someone else doesnt or does is a personal choice.

I only reposted the links so many times because it was clear some started going off the topic and may not have seen it.

 

[UncleDave]

The 64K origin question has been answered twice recently with different answer from diff agencies and Grusch being 180 out from Kirkpatrick.

The newly appointed and highly questionable Kirkpatrick at AARO claimed no evidence just a few weeks ago while simultaneously admitting to the existence of mach 2 orbs.

Grusch testified in a close door session with something like 40 witnesses as to location of objects and evidence to origin.

 

[MolaKule]

NASA stated: "One of NASA's key priorities is the search for life elsewhere in the universe, but so far, NASA has not found any credible evidence of extraterrestrial life and there is no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial. However, NASA is exploring the solar system and beyond to help us answer fundamental questions, including whether we are alone in the universe."[32]​

Response from relevant experts​

Joshua Semeter of NASA's UAP independent study team and professor of electrical and computer engineering with Boston University's College of Engineering concludes that "without data or material evidence, we are at an impasse on evaluating these claims" and that, "in the long history of claims of extraterrestrial visitors, it is this level of specificity that always seems to be missing".[24][25] Adam Frank, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Rochester, published a critique of the Grusch claims on June 22 with Big Think. Frank writes that he does "not find these claims exciting at all" because they are all "just hearsay" where "a guy says he knows a guy who knows another guy who heard from a guy that the government has alien spaceships".[26]

The Guardian printed an opinion piece by Stuart Clark about Grusch's claims which included questions from three scientists. Harvard University astronomer Avi Loeb, who co-founded the UFO-investigating Galileo Project, noted that nothing extraterrestrial has been observed. Radio astronomer Michael Garrett noted that crashed landings of alien craft "would imply that there must be hundreds of them coming every day, and astronomers simply don't see them". Sara Russell, a planetary scientist from the Natural History Museum in London, said that, "if you give me an alloy, it would take me less than half an hour to tell you what elements are in it", and that "it should be easy to understand whether something falling to Earth is man-made or extraterrestrial, and if it is the latter, whether it is naturally occurring or not".[27]

Greg Eghigian, a history professor at Pennsylvania State University and expert in the history of UFOs as it occurs in the context of public fascination,[28] notes that there have been many instances over recent decades in the U.S. of people "who previously worked in some kind of federal department" coming forward to make "bombshell allegations" about the truth regarding UFOs with the whistleblower claims by Grusch fitting this pattern.[29] Eghigian described the 1940s-50s media enthusiasm about flying saucers, and comments that the successful books on the subject by authors Donald Keyhoe, Frank Scully and Gerald Heard, "provided the model for a new kind of public figure: the crusading whistleblower dedicated to breaking the silence over the alien origins of unidentified flying objects."[30] Since then all these similarly credentialed claimants have been unable to provide any further corroboration.[30] Eghigian noted the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office denied all of the claims made by Grusch and he questioned the veracity of Grusch's claims. According to The Guardian:

Eghigian is also skeptical about the veracity of these claims because it looks like Grusch followed Pentagon protocol in publishing this information, meaning that the Department of Defence approved the information he would pass on to the press, which is something the department only does if the information is not classified. If Grusch is telling the truth, surely this information would be classified, Eghigian says, and the department would not have allowed him to go on the record.[29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims

 

[thastinger]

Yeah that's pretty scary.

It's real, according to the DNA records, there have been 4 times where the entire global human population bottlenecked down to 10K individuals. Could you image that...you could go your entire 45 year lifespan without ever seeing another human.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

I do not. This is the worst outcome I can imagine for humanity.

....

It would obviously be terrifying, as would AI becoming sentient and achieving singularity. But the hope would be if there was an alien civilization poking around our neighborhood they might have something of a Star Trek-like "Prime Directive".

It's largely ignored in the West, but ancient Indian religious texts contain a Science Fiction story about an evil reptilian race enslaving humanity - and using us as food as well. Another alien civilization engaged them in a war of liberation and fought them off then left. Supposedly the tract contains detailed descriptions of ariel combat by ships/craft of various sizes...

 

[thastinger]

I do believe something is going on, but guys like Bob Lazaar are anything but legit. He's a conman that in the best case scenario worked briefly at Area 51, but installed alarms or did some IT and may have heard some rumors. He never had any real scientific background and most of his past history was deconstructed and debunked, he never had any record of attending MIT, and no the gov't couldn't just come in and erase his past as he claims. Guys like him are as much of an obstacle to getting to the "truth" as any real world "Smoking Man"..

IDK about that, he said the anti gravity drive was powered by element 151...before it was listed on the periodic table. 20 years later, CERN discovered it and it is now shown on the table.

I thought the guy was FOS as well, until that happened.

 

[thastinger]

It would obviously be terrifying, as would AI becoming sentient and achieving singularity. But the hope would be if there was an alien civilization poking around our neighborhood they might have something of a Star Trek-like "Prime Directive".

It's largely ignored in the West, but ancient Indian religious texts contain a Science Fiction story about an evil reptilian race enslaving humanity - and using us as food as well. Another alien civilization engaged them in a war of liberation and fought them off then left. Supposedly the tract contains detailed descriptions of ariel combat by ships/craft of various sizes...

We're not going to become a type 2 or type 3 civilization without AI...which is the energy level it takes to travel the galaxy. Let's first work on fusion and let's not destroy ourselves by creating a 1 molecule wide black hole at the CERN LHC.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

NASA stated: "One of NASA's key priorities is the search for life elsewhere in the universe, but so far, NASA has not found any credible evidence of extraterrestrial life and there is no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial. However, NASA is exploring the solar system and beyond to help us answer fundamental questions, including whether we are alone in the universe."[32]​

Response from relevant experts​

Joshua Semeter of NASA's UAP independent study team and professor of electrical and computer engineering with Boston University's College of Engineering concludes that "without data or material evidence, we are at an impasse on evaluating these claims" and that, "in the long history of claims of extraterrestrial visitors, it is this level of specificity that always seems to be missing".[24][25] Adam Frank, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Rochester, published a critique of the Grusch claims on June 22 with Big Think. Frank writes that he does "not find these claims exciting at all" because they are all "just hearsay" where "a guy says he knows a guy who knows another guy who heard from a guy that the government has alien spaceships".[26]

The Guardian printed an opinion piece by Stuart Clark about Grusch's claims which included questions from three scientists. Harvard University astronomer Avi Loeb, who co-founded the UFO-investigating Galileo Project, noted that nothing extraterrestrial has been observed. Radio astronomer Michael Garrett noted that crashed landings of alien craft "would imply that there must be hundreds of them coming every day, and astronomers simply don't see them". Sara Russell, a planetary scientist from the Natural History Museum in London, said that, "if you give me an alloy, it would take me less than half an hour to tell you what elements are in it", and that "it should be easy to understand whether something falling to Earth is man-made or extraterrestrial, and if it is the latter, whether it is naturally occurring or not".[27]

Greg Eghigian, a history professor at Pennsylvania State University and expert in the history of UFOs as it occurs in the context of public fascination,[28] notes that there have been many instances over recent decades in the U.S. of people "who previously worked in some kind of federal department" coming forward to make "bombshell allegations" about the truth regarding UFOs with the whistleblower claims by Grusch fitting this pattern.[29] Eghigian described the 1940s-50s media enthusiasm about flying saucers, and comments that the successful books on the subject by authors Donald Keyhoe, Frank Scully and Gerald Heard, "provided the model for a new kind of public figure: the crusading whistleblower dedicated to breaking the silence over the alien origins of unidentified flying objects."[30] Since then all these similarly credentialed claimants have been unable to provide any further corroboration.[30] Eghigian noted the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office denied all of the claims made by Grusch and he questioned the veracity of Grusch's claims. According to The Guardian:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims

NASA saying they don't know because they haven't been given anything to work with. The lack of transparency is always a problem which can be impossible to overcome. It always doesn't help that NASA is outward looking and there's an assumption that non-human technology would be seen entering the atmosphere.

 

[MolaKule]

IDK about that, he said the anti gravity drive was powered by element 151...before it was listed on the periodic table. 20 years later, CERN discovered it and it is now shown on the table.

I thought the guy was FOS as well, until that happened.

So far, Element 115 or moscovium doesn't have a practical use outside of scientific study.

It decays in 20/1000 of a second.

He Lazar said that he'd personally worked with element 115, which was used to pilot alien spacecraft.

It is "impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth. ... The substance has to come from a place where superheavy elements could have been produced naturally," Lazar said.

It has been synthesized here on earth.

Lazar said that he'd seen evidence of anti-gravity propulsion technologies, and nine alien spacecraft stored in a hangar at Area 51. Those spaceships ostensibly used some sort of propulsion system that harnessed the inherent power of gravity, and thus utilized the characteristics of element 115 to work their technological wizardry.

What connection does fast decaying elements have to do with propulsion? systems?

 

[MolaKule]

NASA saying they don't know because they haven't been given anything to work with.

Where did NASA say any of this?