related tangent: cheaper feed corn (not using ethanol as a vehicle fuel) = cheaper beef.
Anybody have E-15 Ethanol concerns?
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So, as usual from "up there", it's a big nothingburger. All regular gas that is pipelined all over the country starts out as 84 octane. Add 10% ethanol. and guess what you get 87 oct. Add 5% more and viola, you get 88 octane.
In the end, this won't save one single gallon of gasoline, but was more directed at California and all of their "boutique" fuel requirements.
Ethanol also has a very minimal effect on RVP, so it won't do much either way for the environment. Ethanol producers will like it though.
My yard equipment is all battery-powered now except my 20-year old Hustler zero-turn. I do use 10% ethanol in it though I always add that Sta-Bil product that supposedly neutralizes the ethanol. Seems to work or my mower doesn't care. I've left fuel in the carb over the winter a couple times too and it's been fine. I did try to run it out once.... After 5-10 minutes of idling with the fuel valve closed, I gave up ! I was also told it's better to leave gas in there vs dry (though the folks saying that probably do use ethanol-free fuel.
If I'm not mistaken, the EPA allows all gasoline to contain "up to" 10% ethanol. The pumps may or may not be required to be labeled that this is the content. I want to say they don't have to, but most stations still label it. 15% ethanol must be specifically labeled as such and some states actually regulate it's sale.
We're seeing E88 or E15 more and more around here with all the new gas stations moving in.... I've told our daughter she can run it in her Civic and save some $.
This brings to mind another thought.
What's up with all of the new indie gas stations going up throughout the state?
In a state that is seeing net out-migration and for a product sales of which will only decline over the next ten years, what's the economic incentive beyond selling pop and potato chips at exorbitant markups?
I know there must be one.
Thanks for the post. I don't want the Canadians to get excited. There is no more E0. By Federal mandate it is now E05 minimum and the Provinces can make that a higher number.
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Yeah right lol
Seeing this locally. Seems like "ARCO" is the trendy franchise to buy into nowadays....
Remember, they're not gas stations anymore, they're convenience stores that also sell fuel. A small (12 oz ?) coffee at Speedway is $1.99 now !!
There is 10% less energy in ethanol - just physics. So another 5% drops it by another 1/2 of one percent in energy in your tank.
I believe different cars behave differently on it. That makes sense - the burn is different. However given it has less energy in general, I presume the vast majority of cars get worse MPG using any ethanol. The hypocrisy of the EPA.
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What about the GM 3800 Series II V6 ?
Will the E-15 kill it ?
Will the E-15 kill it ?
Very popular brand out west. I am surprised to see them popping up in your area?
I paid way more than that last time - I think Wawa was $2.99. I just stopped. I will do McDonalds if there is no line, or just hit starbucks - in for a dime in for a dollar.
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All my gas powered lawn equipment and my 4 stroke outboard get only ethanol free gas. My 2007 Grand Cherokee is Flex-Fuel but has only ever seen 10% ethanol gasoline.
Flex fuel engines will add timing due to the higher octane. My LS 6.0s like it, means go faster! To the next gas station!!
Marathon ended up with the brand during the build up of and the divestiture of Speedway.
Even though BP has rights to the name on the West coast, Marathon has rights to it everywhere else.
Guess they figured they may as well give themselves another line to peddle, like BP is doing franchising Amoco stations.
Have not seen any of them in my area, or even any of the 76 stations that appear to be popping up around the state.
My 2008 6.0 in my 3/4 ton Suburban is not an actual Flex engine. Are yours actually Flex?Flex fuel engines will add timing due to the higher octane. My LS 6.0s like it, means go faster! To the next gas station!!
Same deal in Rhode Island. Have to buy VP fuel in a bucket.
My nearby BJ's still has E10 stickers on their pumps. Whether their pumping E10 or E15, I'm buying it anyway. I'm a member & get a discount. Cheapest price around. My OPE's will be getting the same whether they like it or not. My OPE containers get a splash of ethanol treatment everytime I fill them up anyway.
FWIW, The 88 (E15) gas has been available in eastern Iowa for many years now (~8ish). We use it in our 2005 Jeep and my son uses it in his 2023 Ram 1500 Hemi. If the vehicle is approved for E10, I don't believe E15 is going to matter.
I use E85 in the 2014 T&C because it is the most affordable option for that vehicle (cost per mile).
I use E85 in the 2014 T&C because it is the most affordable option for that vehicle (cost per mile).
I'm not the least bit concerned about E15.
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