Any Saab's worth buying?Is there any reliability

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Originally Posted By: Joel_MD
I have a 2003 9-5 and I also maintain my step-son's 2006 "Saabaru" 9-2x. rjundi is correct, the 9-2x is really just a trim level for the Subaru Impreza. A lot of times I can't find parts for the 9-2x when using an online lookup tool, but if I look for a 2006 Subaru Impreza 2.5 instead I find what I need.

I think the Saab 9-5 with the 2.3L engine is a fantastic car. They tend to be a bit maintenance intensive. I would say that Saab owners tend to be more DIY than other car owners. No doubt their orphan status helps make them cheap, but parts are generally plentiful.

One thing that is fun about the 2.3L engine is the potential for power. A buddy of mine has a 9-5 whose engine is modified to Stage 5 with about 285 hp at the wheels via dyno. It was totally rebuilt with forged pistons, TD04-19T turbo, Aeromotive fuel pump with Deka injectors, etc. The car looks like a sleeper but he absolutely blows away stock Mustang GTs and even BMW M3s on the open road. The 9-5 is a heavy car, and with front wheel drive it's not going to win a lot of drag races, but from 30 MPH+ it's hard to beat.
SAAB owners NOW may be DYI, and I was when I had several, including a 900T which ended life at 400K with a rusted out front subframe, but in the few glory years of solid sales Yuppies were buying them to be seen in and their total lack of any mechanical understanding led to a lot of cracked heads, burned out clutches and rotors ground down by pad backing plates, to name a few. THey were a well behaved car in difficult conditions and more than once I said to myself "Thank you Mr. SAAB" when the brakes and steering got me out of an impending jam. It was a sad day when we discovered the front end rattle in the T wasn't a ball joint. There are still a few old 900 convertables around and they look nice with the top down but the conversion left them with a pretty sloppy body structure.
 
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Originally Posted By: Joel_MD
I have a 2003 9-5 and I also maintain my step-son's 2006 "Saabaru" 9-2x. rjundi is correct, the 9-2x is really just a trim level for the Subaru Impreza. A lot of times I can't find parts for the 9-2x when using an online lookup tool, but if I look for a 2006 Subaru Impreza 2.5 instead I find what I need.

I think the Saab 9-5 with the 2.3L engine is a fantastic car. They tend to be a bit maintenance intensive. I would say that Saab owners tend to be more DIY than other car owners. No doubt their orphan status helps make them cheap, but parts are generally plentiful.

One thing that is fun about the 2.3L engine is the potential for power. A buddy of mine has a 9-5 whose engine is modified to Stage 5 with about 285 hp at the wheels via dyno. It was totally rebuilt with forged pistons, TD04-19T turbo, Aeromotive fuel pump with Deka injectors, etc. The car looks like a sleeper but he absolutely blows away stock Mustang GTs and even BMW M3s on the open road. The 9-5 is a heavy car, and with front wheel drive it's not going to win a lot of drag races, but from 30 MPH+ it's hard to beat.
SAAB owners NOW may be DYI, and I was when I had several, including a 900T which ended life at 400K with a rusted out front subframe, but in the few glory years of solid sales Yuppies were buying them to be seen in and their total lack of any mechanical understanding led to a lot of cracked heads, burned out clutches and rotors ground down by pad backing plates, to name a few. THey were a well behaved car in difficult conditions and more than once I said to myself "Thank you Mr. SAAB" when the brakes and steering got me out of an impending jam. It was a sad day when we discovered the front end rattle in the T wasn't a ball joint. There are still a few old 900 convertables around and they look nice with the top down but the conversion left them with a pretty sloppy body structure.

As with many good, but under-appreciated cars, the bulk of owners just ruined them. It sucks to see a good car run into the ground without any mercy or care, but that's how it often works out. Not everybody cares. To most owners, cars are a throw away.
 
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Originally Posted By: HangFire
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Jeepers, I thought most ANY 10+ YO car near 100k was a 1500 dollar car. (Excepting good serviceable trucks, "CLASSICS" and kid toys like stangs that can be rebuilt and modded.)


The dealer must love you at trade-in time!

Spend some time with Auto Trader or any other large site and look at real prices. Even assuming you can negotiate a 30% discount most 100K vehicles go for way more than 1500.



No Shet.. I see these people as nuts. 180k car they call low miles and are asking $3,000.
2000 Volvo 100k $3700 https://wilmington.craigslist.org/cto/4948216715.html
99 Honda accord LX one owner 114,000 $4400
Here is a 98 Grand-Prix 1G2WJ52M6WF232116 with 2 wrecks Starting bid:US $2,000.00 Reserve not met. Buy it Now 4000
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Grand-Pr...em=271816102919
Accident reported
Involving front impact
with another motor vehicle
Disabling damage reported
Accident reported
Involving right side impact
with another motor vehicle

I worked for Allen Cadillac in Laguna Niguel. Many times we took in old Buick's or Oldsmobile's (99 or so) with 60,000 miles and they would give 500 real dollars (show 2000) and then ask 4500. Then they would deduct the "over trade" of 1500 from the profit on the sale and pay you 150 for a "no profit" deal (They would never sell to us at 2000)


Ive bought and sold over 100 cars - They may be asking over 3K but they aint worth that. wholesale onmost is under 1000.

And blue book or NADA whole sale is not wholesale. Im talking auction and black book . Blue book is for chumps - and chumps are paying the $$$ and pushing prices up.
 
lol There's a big difference between "most ANY 10+ YO car near 100k" and 180K cars, GM beaters with two wrecks, and a 16 year old Honda (16 is a good bit more than 10 years+). Yes those are all bad deals if asking is paying price, but none of them are "most ANY" car in the 8-12YO/100K class.

Also trade-in values have little to do with actual values and for-sale prices. I am aware of the difference between wholesale and retail BB.

I agree there are a lot of crazy used car prices out there. But I don't expect to find a GOOD $1500/100K deal just anywhere, unless you do auctions regularly, or are prepared to drop everything and jump in the car with cash on hand for a private listing.
 
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