It's people that continually are handed evidence and ignore it that don't get anywhere.
Any Issues with Liquid Moly TopTec 4100
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The issue in these discussions often is...what evidence?
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You mean the people that think their engine runs smoother with Red Line
over the only factual evidence we have which are the approvals the oil carries? I have run Red Line before too, but I'm not delusional enough to believe that a difference in smoothness could be ascertained simply by changing oil.
But it wasn’t Redline. It was Redline plus a quart of snake oil… which contains ~27% chlorinated paraffins. Anyone who understands ICEs knows you can’t introduce a compound that forms a corrosive acid in the crankcase & expect positive long-term results…You mean the people that think their engine runs smoother with Red Line
edyvw
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It was known forever that the Red Line runs smoother than most stuff. It is additives at work. Mobil1 0W40 API SM was always running louder than other oils (I used it extensively together with Castrol GC, and the difference in smoothness was more than apparent in favor of Castrol), but M1 always returned excellent UOA, same as GC. So, noise oil makes or smoothness is not indicative of performance.You mean the people that think their engine runs smoother with Red Line
As for Liqui Moly, I stated my opinion long time ago. An oil blender that scammed customers for two decades, selling them "HC technology" at a higher price than their PAO products. Half of their products are absolutely the cheapest Group III one can blend and get away with approvals.
VOA/UOA?
Motorkote does not contain any clorinated, sulfide, molybdenum, or halogenated compounds. But you'd rather believe a report by Amsoil on a competitor's product. The magic of it is we can test this!
What does an approval an oil carries have anything to do with if an engine runs smoother on something else?You mean the people that think their engine runs smoother with Red Line
What specifically though?
Objective vs. subjective.
That would not be evidence of much other than elements in the oil and how they reacted in someone (else's) vehicle. Again, rather subjective and arbitrarily draws conclusions.
You wrote the company name M-O-T-U-L wrong.
Liqui Moly was never sued and never lost on Court in Germany for wrong labeling of engine oil in contrast to MOTUL.
edyvw
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There are scammers, and then there are SCAMMERS.You wrote the company name M-O-T-U-L wrong.
Liqui Moly was never sued and never lost on Court in Germany for wrong labeling of engine oil in contrast to MOTUL.
Not everyone is good at it and can get away with it.
Again, what does the approval have to do with how smooth an engine runs on something?
durability and additive packages? I feel like guys that design and make the very oils you use could come here and say specifically every possible detail about an oil and someone would say "What specifically though". It's like in Anger Management when he keeps asking Adam Sandler who he is.
No one said it did. Your reading comprehension is failing you I think. In any case, engines do not run "smoother" on decent oils of similar viscosity. It is placebo. Even if it wasn't, "smoothness" is not known to be a factor directly correlated to wear according to actual engineers or SAE journal papers.
Maybe Infineum and Porsche can throw away their expensive equipment for accelerometers and stethoscopes.
edyvw
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Smoothness or noise? Different oils definitely produce different noises, some noticeably so.No one said it did. Your reading comprehension is failing you I think. In any case, engines do not run "smoother" on decent oils of similar viscosity. It is placebo. Even if it wasn't, "smoothness" is not known to be a factor directly correlated to wear according to actual engineers or SAE journal papers.
Maybe Infineum and Porsche can throw away their expensive equipment for accelerometers and stethoscopes.
edyvw
$50 site donor 2025
Liqui Moly always had outsized marketing and they know how to utilize that Mad in Germany thing.
People want to be associated with something special. They think if they buy Mobil1 0W40 in Wal mart, it is lesser oil for their M5 CS, bcs. lesser people buy stuff there.
It is psychology.
Noise, sure, I agree. But he said smoothness.
