Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
I've had plenty of folks try to argue this lousy point before because they just wanted it so bad not to be true. It doesn't prohibit you from pouring whatever oil you you so choose in your vehicle. Get over it already.
Nice
marketing quotes (and I will not quote it again.. Next time just post the links.. IT's not like we have not seen that before
)
Stop putting random bold and/or re-sized words throughout an entire post and we'll talk. I, on the other hand, like to provide more concrete evidence in a discussion versus what your opinion and/or unverifiable experiences are.
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Take that to GM and
ask them what they think of it. Make sure that you cover the
non API symbol oil and
extended OCI past the OLM.
I have. The 4 manufactures that I've
TALKED to (not dealers)and
ALL said that you
NEED to follow the manual for warranty requirements. IF you do not,
EXPECT some "
issues" (and I don't need "
ISSUES" when a vehicle is down)
Well, since you are going to be pompous about it, I have called GM corporate and 2 dealerships multiple times about the issue and they have, contrary to your omniscient information, all verified that this is not the case.
I'll have to call them back and tell them they are wrong since a Bill from Utah disagrees...
Forgive me if it comes off rude, but I'm sorry I don't take "I talked to..." as a verifiable argument to actual, real information. I've *talked* to some of them to, and they didn't say "follow your manual" as a default response. I'm sure my comments about contacting GM above will get some ignorant response from you as well, so I can play that game, too.
My manual mentions what GM
recommends and what the oil must "meet or exceed". This is real world stuff. Welcome to it.
For what it's worth, "talking to a manufacturer", as I'm sure you realize, very likely consists of you sitting on the phone with some phone bank employee, right?
I too have made that call, but I also trust as much, if not more, the service manager at a dealership who will allow or deny any claim that I might bring them.
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Look I've
HAD an manufacture take my receipts, look into a book to make sure that the oils I was using
MET their requirements for OCI. (and they
DID check to make sure that I did follow the length of each OCI)
#1 Checking their "book" does not prove that a mechanical failure was caused by oil. Good try.
#2 Enlighten us on how they "check to make sure" you ran the proper OCI. I'd love to hear how they proved exactly how many miles you drove on the oil.
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If you want to fall back on Amsoil's warranty go for it. The quote you have above I question...
I don't care if you question how the sun comes up in the morning. I LOVE having this high of a quality of oil to "fall back on"; especially considering the ratio of oil changes with Amsoil to the warranty issues that we hear so often...
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"AMSOIL offers a warranty that covers the cost of repair or replacement of a proven mechanically sound engine damaged as a result of using AMSOIL synthetic motor oil. However, it has never happened."
Amsoil has
NEVER paid on a engine failing? Really? I have read here they they have from a sponsor so who is not correct?
I do not base my reputation on some marketing words. It seems that you do.
I'm not sure how many engines have failed because of Amsoil. I haven't been present for 100% of all warranty submissions for the company; have you?
There you go again with "I read..."
I must have missed the debate class period in school that taught us to use "I talked to...", "I heard...", and "I read..." as supporting points for an argument.
Please forgive me if I don't drain my oil now and tell Amsoil to go jump because a guy on an online forum "read" that 1 person may or may not have had a warranty issue with Amsoil.
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I like Amsoil. I
USE their products. But I'm not going to use anything that could be a problem in getting my engine fixed
*IF* I have a problem. And I'd
NEVER recommend to
ANYONE to
NOT FOLLOW what the manufacture (
WHO PAYS FOR ANY REPAIRS) recommends in their manual for the warranty period.
"I" is used a lot here.
I concur; I think "YOU" should do whatever your heart desires. Just quit asserting to everyone what you think, and trying to confuse it with FACTS.
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To each their own.
Bill
PS: So according to you, I can take some 20-50 oil and pour it in my motor. When its 15 below zero and my engine fails due to non flow of oil at that temp the manufacture of the engine will replace it?
Your words;
"It doesn't prohibit you from pouring whatever oil you you so choose in"
Let me know how that works for you.
Since reading comprehension is a premium in today's world, I'll let you in on it: I was telling you that your life will go on and you don't need to worry yourself with feeling obligated to run an oil simply because it can legitimately be run in a motor without warranty's being voided, the earth becoming dark, and universes being sucked into black holes.
It is apparent that you are quite against particular oils (as if the forum needed this thread alone to tell...) and that is fine. But your emphasis on bold words and smiley faces doesn't suggest anymore reality to the situation than what little that has been displayed.
The reality of things are that you have 2 entity's supplying warranties: 1 if it is a mechanical fault, and the other if it is an oil/lubrication fault.
Your BEST scenario includes a dealership denying a warranty, manufacturer denying a warranty, AND Amsoil denying a warranty (as if the oil run properly is going to cause more damage than a lesser quality oil would under the same scenario - not the first logical fallacy present).
I guess it is all just one big conspiracy...
