Amsoil Being Amsoil

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Originally posted by RedWolf4000:


The reason why these oils are not in any way API approved is because of the high level of ZDDP, or Phosphorus based additive found in the motor oil. The API does not approve this high level of ZDDP in motor oil because it causes pre-mature wear of the catalytic converter, and it should not be used in any vehicle that has one.


The only way high levels of ZDDP are going to damage your catalytic convertor would be if your engine burns a lot of oil, in which case most people aren't going to run a synthetic anyways. In a well tuned engine that has little consumption, high levels of ZDDP are not a problem at all. Period.

[ June 01, 2004, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Patman ]
 
If you take into account the value of your personal labor to do an oil change, which I figure is $15.00-$20.00, you don't have to run super long drain intervals to make Amsoil cost effective. The majority of my professional customers w/ high end vehicles don't change their own oil, but have it done at a Quick Lube or new car dealership. These are realistic numbers for that comparison....

For 15,000 miles of driving:


Five petroleum oil changes @ $25.00/change, for a total of $125.00.

Two Amsoil synthetic oil changes @ $60.00; including five quarts of synthetic @ $6.50/qt retail, $12.00 for the Amsoil "Super Duty" oil filter and $15.00 labor.


So you can see, that even with a very conservative, 7500 mile/12,000km, Amsoil change interval, the cost of materials and labor is a wash - not counting any potential fuel savings. With the Amsoil option you have the convenience of eliminating three out of every five oil/filter changes; you reduce the # of waste materials you generate and you get better engine protection and a small increase in performance. You still bring the car in about twice a year, so that the fluid levels, air filter, etc can be checked and somebody has the chance to peek under the car to detect potential problems. For the 60%-70% of vehicle owners who DON'T change their own oil, it's a no-brainer ...
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As a final note, if you work through the numbers for the ultra premium, Amsoil Series 2000/3000, you find the break even point is only 10,000 miles/16,000 km. That's the other option I recommend for folks who want to use the absolute best oil I have available ...

TS
 
Thanks for clearing that up Patman. I was not 100% sure on how exactly it would effect, if it did, a cat.
 
Excuse me for making the obvious point. Sales and marketing don't make the product, they just sell it. We're a bunch of anal gear heads that like to talk oil, they are a bunch of talkers that sell oil. I once had a lawyer say to me, "Tell me what you want to do and I'll tell you how to do it legally." Yes, there really are people who promise you that you really can get there from here, . . . or so they tell us.
 
I have learned the cause of Amsoil not having an API certification. This excludes the XL-7500 series, which is a synthetic that is intended to be changed no longer then 7500 miles.

As far as any of the other synthetics they offer go, like the 25,000 miles 1 year oils, and the series 2000, 35,000 miles 1 year oils.

The reason why these oils are not in any way API approved is because of the high level of ZDDP, or Phosphorus based additive found in the motor oil. The API does not approve this high level of ZDDP in motor oil because it causes pre-mature wear of the catalytic converter, and it should not be used in any vehicle that has one. The is fine for snow mobiles, lawn mowers, ect. However, the oil will never be approved by the API for any of todays vehicles. (some of you may have pulled your converter, so no worries there) This high level of ZDDP is what gives Amsoil series 2000 and the 25,000 mile formula is longevity.

Amsoil, for years has been making false claims of why they were not API approved, and have only recently slipped this information. This makes them a very untrustworthy company in my opinion. I think for the last 30 years everyone should have known what MIGHT have happened to other components while using this oil.
 
redwolf4000:

The catalythic converter on my 91 Caprice (sold recently) survived 240k miles in 7 years using Amsoil 5W-30.

It passed the local "Air Care" test with no problems.
 
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