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Originally posted by buster: Interesting. It's going to have to be of RL or M1 SUV/Delvac 1 quality to sell though. For $5qt, 26% ester based, Delvac 1 is almost impossible to beat. RL 5w-40 also probably the best 5w-40 on the market. I'm not fond of the VI of 186 though for the Amsoil 5w-40. Could be prone to shearing.
quote:Delvac 1 has a VI of 151. Comparitively the Amsoil product will change viscosity less over a wider temperature range. I would suspect that the Amsoil product will be more performance oriented than Diesel rated. I wouldn't doubt that this 5w40 uses the Series 2000/3000 technology. We will see though.
empirical, unitless number indicating the effect of temperature change on the kinematic viscosity of an oil. Liquids change viscosity with temperature, becoming less viscous when heated; the higher the V.I. of an oil, the lower its tendency to change viscosity with temperature. The V.I. of an oil — with known viscosity at 40°C and at 100°C — is determined by comparing the oil with two standard oils having an arbitrary V.I. of 0 and 100, respectively, and both having the same viscosity at 100°C as the test oil
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quote:Viscosity Index is not 100% related to Viscosity Index Improvers. For intstance the 10w30 does not contain any VII's but has a very high VI. Hydraulic oils that are a straight weight have a viscosity index as well. The better the base oil the high the VI. Which is what you want to look for, as long as you have a good base stock combined with a good add pack
Originally posted by buster: Mike, my thinking has always been the lower the VI the better bc your relying on the base oil more then the VII's. Redline has very low VI. So your giving up some low temp ability for more shear stability. Take a look at all of Redline's VI as they are very low. Mobil 1 10w-30 is very low and very shear stable. VII's are the weak link in an oil. I'd rather see this oil use S3k technology as S2k is clearly over rated. The 0w-30 Amsoil is the most over priced oil on the market today.
quote:Why would they want to?? From the Birdy that I heard from last night they have no interest in selling their products through ANY multi-chain retail establishment. The Birdy said they are 110% committed to the Dealer network. Lastly, I would feel 100% comfortable recommending AMO 10w40 in place of Any Delvac 1. And I honestly think that a 5w40 is waste, but it seems that the Euro cars are specing this. I don't feel it's necessary. Buster: IMHO Series 2000/3000 is the most economically priced motor oils on the market!
Originally posted by 59 Vetteman: Amsoil can't produce a product to compete with Delvac I/Mobil I SUV/Truck 5W40 and sell it for $5 bucks a quart.
quote:Birdy poop.
From the Birdy that I heard from last night they have no interest in selling their products through ANY multi-chain retail establishment.
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G.I. Joe's, a sporting goods/automotive chain here in the NW (don't know where else they might be), sells the full AMSOIL motor oil line on the shelf. ![[Cheers!]](/forums/graemlins/cheers.gif)
quote:Some Dealer in Oklahoma made a deal then . Amsoil is in the Atwoods Stores now . See that VI @ 40c ? I personally would pick the Amsoil over the Delvac on that difference alone for a modern day OHC Gas Engine . JMO , no flames , no Delvac for me
Originally posted by Mike: To set Up a Retail or Commercial Account you need to go through a dealer.
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I think this will be an SL /505 type oil with more specs and will be good stuff ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif){kind=icon}
Now cut me a deal on it Sparks 
SO YOU DONT HAVE TO DL TO READ.....quote:I hope you are right! The 5w40 is the preferred oil for high performance use in my 2004 Honda S2000, although the better 10w30's have been doing fine as far as I can tell in the early production cars which date back to 1999. It is quite amazing to me that an engine with a redline of 9000 has gone as many miles with few failures - there is a car with reportedly 160k miles on the S2KI.com Forums! Honda does know how to build an engine, but the tremendous advances in both GIII and GIV-GV HC and synoil technology have to have been major contributors.
Originally posted by msparks:quote:
Originally posted by buster: Interesting. It's going to have to be of RL or M1 SUV/Delvac 1 quality to sell though. For $5qt, 26% ester based, Delvac 1 is almost impossible to beat. RL 5w-40 also probably the best 5w-40 on the market. I'm not fond of the VI of 186 though for the Amsoil 5w-40. Could be prone to shearing.quote:Delvac 1 has a VI of 151. Comparitively the Amsoil product will change viscosity less over a wider temperature range. I would suspect that the Amsoil product will be more performance oriented than Diesel rated. I wouldn't doubt that this 5w40 uses the Series 2000/3000 technology. We will see though.
empirical, unitless number indicating the effect of temperature change on the kinematic viscosity of an oil. Liquids change viscosity with temperature, becoming less viscous when heated; the higher the V.I. of an oil, the lower its tendency to change viscosity with temperature. The V.I. of an oil — with known viscosity at 40°C and at 100°C — is determined by comparing the oil with two standard oils having an arbitrary V.I. of 0 and 100, respectively, and both having the same viscosity at 100°C as the test oil
I like the idea of a 5w-40. I think this is a good all year round viscosity for many vehicles. So we now have Mobil 1 5w-40, Redline 5w-40 and Amsoil 5w-40. ![[Cool]](images/icons/cool.gif){kind=icon}
[ March 02, 2004, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
