Am I over thinking the Fram Endurance

Let's say we have gap of 0.5mm verified with a feeler gauges. Let's massively overstate the severity of leakage through this gap by assuming it is actually through all 360 degrees of the circumference of a center tube that is 20mm in diameter and uniformly 0.5mm in gap.

We calculate therefore a cross sectional leakage area of 31.41 sq mm. (the math makes it basically 10Pi mm.). Now, let's see how the restriction of this sectional area changes with aspect ratio.

If we model this surface area as a circle, the equivalent radius is 3.16mm, or a diameter of 6.32mm (rounding off). If we run the calculations on shoving 4 gpm of 10cSt oil through this area in a sharp-edged orifice, we'd get a pressure drop of 0.44 bar or 44kPa. That's not very high, but for our purposes it doesn't matter what this value is, it only matters how it compares to modeling the the restriction posed by the surface area with a different aspect ratio.

Let's consider what the equivalent restriction is when modeled as a thin flat rectangular pipe only 0.5mm tall and (for equivalent surface area) 62.83mm wide and say, 3mm long. Now the restriction has risen to 100kPa with the same flow rate, same viscosity, same sectional area.

In other words, just by making the perimeter-to-volume ratio closer to two thin plates instead of a circular orifice, the same sectional area is now than twice is restrictive.

The resistance coefficient goes from 0.36 with the circular orifice to over 390 with the thin flat orifice. With the same sectional area, viscosity, and velocity.


So I contend:
1) 15% vastly overstates the bypass fraction
2) Even if it was 15%, the Fram is still as good or better than most others
3) The level of performance of a Fram at 15% leakage surpasses almost every cellulose OEM spec filter, a level of performance proven sufficient to keep many engines alive well past 200k or even 300k miles.

In other words: it's a nothing burger. It's evidence of poor quality control and cheap construction, but it's not a performance issue and not something that should cause one to avoid using these filters.
 
Go back and read that thread again where the calculations were made. I took the aspect ratio of the flow paths into effect. I started out with a simple model, but later refined it with a flow coefficient that was way down in the mud, like 0.60. Even if the flow coefficient was 0.40-0.50 the leakage is still pretty significant. The info wasn't "pulled from the air". You're saying @Glenda W. made "crude measurements"? Might want to be careful accusing people of things you can't verify. Let's see your analysis and calculations.
There's only so much we can do as home gamers. Anything we're doing is "crude" relative to what is needed to be dispositive.

Even then-- what *is* dispositive? Where is the threshold set? Who sets it?

I have nothing but utmost respect for Glenda, but even the best BITOGers are mortal and limited by access to tools, time, and techniques.
 
Let's say we have gap of 0.5mm verified with a feeler gauges. Let's massively overstate the severity of leakage through this gap by assuming it is actually through all 360 degrees of the circumference of a center tube that is 20mm in diameter and uniformly 0.5mm in gap.

We calculate therefore a cross sectional leakage area of 31.41 sq mm. (the math makes it basically 10Pi mm.). Now, let's see how the restriction of this sectional area changes with aspect ratio.

If we model this surface area as a circle, the equivalent radius is 3.16mm, or a diameter of 6.32mm (rounding off). If we run the calculations on shoving 4 gpm of 10cSt oil through this area in a sharp-edged orifice, we'd get a pressure drop of 0.44 bar or 44kPa. That's not very high, but for our purposes it doesn't matter what this value is, it only matters how it compares to modeling the the restriction posed by the surface area with a different aspect ratio.

Let's consider what the equivalent restriction is when modeled as a thin flat rectangular pipe only 0.5mm tall and (for equivalent surface area) 62.83mm wide and say, 3mm long. Now the restriction has risen to 100kPa with the same flow rate, same viscosity, same sectional area.

In other words, just by making the perimeter-to-volume ratio closer to two thin plates instead of a circular orifice, the same sectional area is now than twice is restrictive.

The resistance coefficient goes from 0.36 with the circular orifice to over 390 with the thin flat orifice. With the same sectional area, viscosity, and velocity.
Your example is general and has no real context or direct correlation to the calculations based on the gap measurements @Glenda W. made, which was two rectangular gaps (180 deg apart) between the leaf spring and end cap that each measured 0.75 in x 0.020 in x 0.125 in deep. Use an oil viscosity of 11.5 cSt with a SG of 0.85 (for the dynamic viscosity), and a dP of 0.8 PSI across the two leak gaps. The estimated filter media flow with a dP of 0.8 PSI was 3.0 GPM. If the filter's flow at 0.8 dP was less, then the leakage percentage would be even more.

So I contend:
1) 15% vastly overstates the bypass fraction
2) Even if it was 15%, the Fram is still as good or better than most others
3) The level of performance of a Fram at 15% leakage surpasses almost every cellulose OEM spec filter, a level of performance proven sufficient to keep many engines alive well past 200k or even 300k miles.

In other words: it's a nothing burger. It's evidence of poor quality control and cheap construction, but it's not a performance issue and not something that should cause one to avoid using these filters.
You have nothing - ie, no real calculations based on the leak path size as discussed above to say the 15% leakage is overstated. Only way you can prove that is to have a better calculation, and it shows why it's a better calculation.

Like said before, if you don't care about internal leakage then good ... not my engine. If it's a nothingburger for you or anyone else, then go for it. Trying to support it as no big deal is like some were trying to say big tears in filter media was nothing to worry about, lol. Lots of people stopped using Purolators when media was tearing left and right, and many people will probably stop using leaky leaf spring filters too.
 
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There's only so much we can do as home gamers. Anything we're doing is "crude" relative to what is needed to be dispositive.

Even then-- what *is* dispositive? Where is the threshold set? Who sets it?

I have nothing but utmost respect for Glenda, but even the best BITOGers are mortal and limited by access to tools, time, and techniques.
There's a lot of flow vs dP calculations related to oil filters that can be make to come out close enough to get a good indication of what's going on. It doesn't have to be at Spock levels. Many of these dP vs flow calculations can be modeled pretty good on a decent pressure drop modeling tool.
 
So I’ve done a ton of research on filters. I’ve probably done too much. You guys are so good at providing information and cutaways. If a guy goes down this rabbit hole, it seems as if there is no bottom.

Anyrate, I just installed an Endurance filter for the 24 F150 with a 3.5L. Then I found information about the bypass valve leaking on these. This is kinda bothering me. I have bought Microguard Select for the next change.

What are your thoughts on the Endutance? Should I leave it in place? Do I remove it and replace it with the Microgard Select? I do plan on a 5K OCI.

**Crap……apologies mods, mistakenly put this here vs the filter page.
Leave it on. It’s still filtering decent even if a little leaks by a little bit.
 
After all this talk, show me the testing. Because I'm not seeing a big problem. I've only ever seen one picture.
There might be a reason why the Frams with ruffled leaf springs only test around the same as the inefficient Boss (99% >46u) in the BR ranking tests.
 
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What years are these filters supposed to be in? I just opened one up that's probably 2-3 years old, and it's fine. Maybe it has the older spring?

I can't open up all my filters before they're used. Incredible amount of speculation here.
 
These have been affected for the last 2-3 years. Cost cutting since Covid by letting the stamping machines get worn with a lack of quality control. Whip City Wrencher and @Sayjac first found the defect and I took it a step further with an in can test. At this point many examples have been posted.

At this point Walmart around here no longer sells the Endurance. I suspect all will follow suit. A new 20k Puralotor is the Walmart exclusive.
 
These have been affected for the last 2-3 years. Cost cutting since Covid by letting the stamping machines get worn with a lack of quality control. Whip City Wrencher and @Sayjac first found the defect and I took it a step further with an in can test. At this point many examples have been posted.

At this point Walmart around here no longer sells the Endurance. I suspect all will follow suit. A new 20k Puralotor is the Walmart exclusive.
I only care about filtration efficiency, what are the numbers for Purolator 20k?
 
I finally got the oil change on the cobra , here is the date code for the fram endurance , hope it not defective
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Technically any leaking bypass valve during the bubble point test disqualifies the filter from further testing. That’s what Andrew Shneiderman said in his video. Some filters like Champ and Fram have bypass valves that have to be removed and replaced with a cork for the bubble point test. The bypass valve isn’t used. To test efficiency the filter needs to be fully intact with bypass valve installed.
If our well shown bypass leakers are leaking to change efficiency, why does Fram state high efficiency? The only choices to me are it is still high efficiency with the leaks, or they are assuming the efficiency based on old data. Pre lets mess around and save money on materials data.
 
Technically any leaking bypass valve during the bubble point test disqualifies the filter from further testing. That’s what Andrew Shneiderman said in his video. Some filters like Champ and Fram have bypass valves that have to be removed and replaced with a cork for the bubble point test. The bypass valve isn’t used. To test efficiency the filter needs to be fully intact with bypass valve installed.
If our well shown bypass leakers are leaking to change efficiency, why does Fram state high efficiency? The only choices to me are it is still high efficiency with the leaks, or they are assuming the efficiency based on old data. Pre lets mess around and save money on materials data.
The Fram Ultra and Royal Purple (both have a leaf spring on end cap) both came in with high ISO 4548-12 efficiency in Ascent's testing back in 2021. But back then it could be the leaf spring ruffles issue didn't exist like it does now. The Ultra Ascent tested might have also had the fiber leaf spring seal on the end cap.

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