After 7 years, the 300M is no more.

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After 7 years of faithful service and nearly 100,000 miles, I traded my 1999 300M this past Saturday on a 2007 300 Touring. Same 3.5 engine as was in my 300M, but I now have the Mercedes 722.6 5 speed transmission. In fact, that's why I've been looking for an 07 300 with the 3.5: Except for a few late build 06s, 07 was the only year the RWD models with the 3.5 came with the 5 speed transmission.

The color is metallic black, what Chrysler calls "Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl." Inside is two-tone leather, off-white and black.

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As much as I bad-mouthed the Mercedes "take over" of Chrysler in 1998, there is no denying that the LX platform is a much better car than the LH ever was. Everything about this 300, from the fit and finish, to the solidity, to the overall feel of "build quality," is a quantum leap beyond my 300M.

And, yes, I'm already doing an Auto-RX treatment.
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Any pics of the '99? Those were always my favorites of the big Chryslers, and in fact I tried (unsuccessfully) to get my dad to buy one when he was in the market back about 2000 or 2001.
 
Originally Posted By: css9450
Any pics of the '99? Those were always my favorites of the big Chryslers, and in fact I tried (unsuccessfully) to get my dad to buy one when he was in the market back about 2000 or 2001.


I think I've posted pics of it on here before. I'll have to look.

I used to think my 300M was "big" on the inside until I got this thing. The 120 inch wheelbase makes for some serious stretch-out room. In fact, this is the only car I've ever sat in the front passenger seat with the seat not even all the way back, where I can stretch my legs all the way out and still not touch the firewall. Amazing.
 
I gotta ask....

What oil will you be running in it?

Will you do a used oil analysis to see how it's doing?
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
I gotta ask....

What oil will you be running in it?

Will you do a used oil analysis to see how it's doing?


Probably the same thing I finally settled on in my 300M: Castrol Syntec 5w20*. I'll use GTX to do the ARX rinse and then switch to Syntec.

*For those who want to search my old posts, I started using 5w20 in my 300M somewhere around 60,000 miles. The 3.5 was, and still is, spec'd for 10w30, but 5w20 turned in the best used oil analysis I ever got on mine.
 
Congrats on the new ride!

So, are the Mercedes auto transmissions considered reliable? I'm guessing so since you specifically looked for one...
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Congrats on the new ride!

So, are the Mercedes auto transmissions considered reliable?



Yes. There was a problem with an o-ring leaking in 05 and 06 models, and a TSB was issued, but other than that the NAG1/722.6 is solid.

The Chrysler 42LE 4 speed (what was in my 300M and the only transmission available with the RWD 3.5s in 08 and 09) has turned out to be solid, too. Input and output speed sensors are a known problem, and they went out on mine. I had two new ones in the trunk and it took me about 15 minutes to replace them. That's the only trouble the 42LE ever gave me.

The real issue with the 42LE is it's just simply inefficient at getting the engine's power to the drive wheels. When I first started looking, I wasn't necessarily looking only for a 300 with the 5 speed. But when I drove two basically identical cars, both with the 3.5, but one with the 5 speed and the other with the 4 speed, I was amazed. The 3.5 with the 5 speed feels like you've got 20 more horses under the hood. That's when I started researching and learned that, essentially, if you want a RWD 300 with the 3.5 and the 5 speed, 2007 models (or a late build 06) were it.

Also, keep in mind that while I'm calling the 5 speed a "Mercedes" transmission, it is built by Chrysler in Kokomo, Indiana. It's basically a "licensed copy" of the Mercedes 722.6 transmission.
 
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Originally Posted By: G-MAN
After 7 years of faithful service and nearly 100,000 miles, I traded my 1999 300M this past Saturday


Congrats on the new car! It took some intestinal fortitude to let go of my wife's 1993 Vision TSi powered by the iron-block version of the 3.5. 257,000 miles and the engine still was in perfect condition. But the rest of the car was getting well worn, especially the interior.

Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Same 3.5 engine as was in my 300M, but I now have the Mercedes 722.6 5 speed transmission. In fact, that's why I've been looking for an 07 300 with the 3.5: Except for a few late build 06s, 07 was the only year the RWD models with the 3.5 came with the 5 speed transmission.


I've always been very confused on LX transmission applications, but in general I thought all the 3.5 powered LX cars got a version of the Chrysler 545RFE 5-speed, only the 2.7 powered ones got the 4-speed, and only the V8-powered cars (and not all of them) got the Benz 722-based / Chrysler re-designed W5A580. But I do know that they shuffled the transmission applications on the LX platform quite a bit over the years so I've kinda lost track. And to add to the confusion, the 545RFE in many applications is programmed to only shift through 4 gears when up-shifting (skipping a gear), and the 5th ratio gets used as the kick-down ratio for passing.
 
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Congrats on the new ride!

So, are the Mercedes auto transmissions considered reliable?



Short answer: Yes.

Long answer, its not fair to call it a "Mercedes" transmission really. It is definitely a Daimler design, but the Chrysler engineers gave it a pretty deep makeover to simplify it, reduce cost, and then produce it at the Kokomo transmission plant. I'm not positive, but I *think* Chrysler outright owns the design for this version since the split from Daimler. A lot of people (me included!) figured that the absolute worst thing you could possibly do is take an over-complicated and questionably-reliable Benz transmission design and then cost-cut it.... but the simplifications probably helped reliability a good bit as it turned out. The original Benz design had some ridiculously large number (I want to say between 8 and 12) different internal temperature sensors!

But honestly if I had to pick between the Benz-based transmission and Chrysler's in-house 545RFE right now, it would be a coin toss. The 545 was originally introduced in the Grand Cherokee w/ 4.7 v8 but the application has been extended throughout the rear-drive line and its doing great, even behind Hemis in Ram 2500s.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
After 7 years of faithful service and nearly 100,000 miles, I traded my 1999 300M this past Saturday


Congrats on the new car! It took some intestinal fortitude to let go of my wife's 1993 Vision TSi powered by the iron-block version of the 3.5. 257,000 miles and the engine still was in perfect condition. But the rest of the car was getting well worn, especially the interior.

Originally Posted By: G-MAN
Same 3.5 engine as was in my 300M, but I now have the Mercedes 722.6 5 speed transmission. In fact, that's why I've been looking for an 07 300 with the 3.5: Except for a few late build 06s, 07 was the only year the RWD models with the 3.5 came with the 5 speed transmission.


I've always been very confused on LX transmission applications, but in general I thought all the 3.5 powered LX cars got a version of the Chrysler 545RFE 5-speed, only the 2.7 powered ones got the 4-speed, and only the V8-powered cars (and not all of them) got the Benz-based / Chrysler re-designed 722. But I do know that they shuffled the transmission applications on the LX platform quite a bit over the years so I've kinda lost track. And to add to the confusion, the 545RFE in many applications is programmed to only shift through 4 gears when up-shifting (skipping a gear), and the 5th ratio gets used as the kick-down ratio for passing.




The 545RFE was never used in the LX platform. The only 5 speed used in the LX was the NAG1 (722.6). Here's a summary:

2.7 = 42LE every model year.
3.5 RWD = 42LE for 05 and part year 06, 08-09; NAG1 part year 06, full year 07.
3.5 AWD = NAG1 every model year.
5.7 and 6.1 = NAG1 every model year.

So, basically, the only LX to ever be made with both the 42LE and the NAG1 is the 3.5 RWD models. The 2.7 always has the 42LE and the Hemi models always have the NAG1.
 
Man those cars are Bad [censored] looking. I love the Gangster look they have... Always liked them in Black with black tinted windows.
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
Man those cars are Bad [censored] looking. I love the Gangster look they have... Always liked them in Black with black tinted windows.
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LOL. When I showed it to my mother she said it looked like a "Mafia car."

I had the back glass tinted yesterday, but I don't like tinted side windows.
 
Originally Posted By: G-MAN

The 545RFE was never used in the LX platform. The only 5 speed used in the LX was the NAG1 (722.6).



I did finally find some pieces of information that helped clarify. You're right about the applications.

The terminology around the Benz- based transmission is appalling, though. Its not really a 722 in the form that Chrysler uses it, its the W5Ax80. the 3.5 LX cars get the W5A380, and the Hemi cars get the W5A580 (higher torque-handling capacity).

There were rumors of the 545RFE being substituted for the W5A after the split from Daimler, but I guess they worked out the rights to the W5A before that was necessary. The 545 is massive overkill for a passenger car anyway, and would hurt efficiency a good bit.
 
It is a Mafia Car... When I was in Kentucky for my Best Friends wedding (I was the best man) we rented a 300 to take down and it was in the precession going from the park to the hall and people were looking like we were gangsters because it was all decked out and tinted etc. and had shiny chrome rims...

I think I got a picture somewhere...
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: G-MAN

The 545RFE was never used in the LX platform. The only 5 speed used in the LX was the NAG1 (722.6).



I did finally find some pieces of information that helped clarify. You're right about the applications.

The terminology around the Benz- based transmission is appalling, though. Its not really a 722 in the form that Chrysler uses it, its the W5Ax80. the 3.5 LX cars get the W5A380, and the Hemi cars get the W5A580 (higher torque-handling capacity).


Better check your source. The W5A380 (sales code DGZ) is not used in the LX cars. Only the W5A580 (sales code DGJ).
 
Here is some more info on the W5A580 transmission:

The W5A580 debuted in 1995 Mercedes-Benz passenger vehicles and is known to be one of the smoothest, most fuel-efficient and cost-effective transmissions in the industry. Its unique three-channel torque converter helps provide an exceptionally smooth ride and shifting, while reducing fuel consumption. A $455 million upgrade project at the Indiana Transmission Plant was started in 2001 and completed in 2003. The 600,000 SF plant was designed to produce around 400,000 of the W5A580 transmissions per year for the North American market. The transmission project was the first joint effort between the company's American and German wings after the Chrysler Corp. and Daimler-Benz merge in 1998.

A broad ratio spread from First to the Fifth was selected to minimize fuel consumption and reduce powertrain noise during cruising. An aggressive First-gear ratio provides excellent launch performance, and evenly spaced gear ratios provide smooth acceleration through the gears.

World-class efficiency is achieved through physical and electronic means. This transmission uses bearings to reduce friction in many locations where other transmissions may utilize bushings. The transmission also uses a unique scavenging system that removes oil spun off of the rotating parts by centrifugal force through strategically placed slots in the outside of the case. This saves energy that would be consumed by internal parts rotating in oil. Lubricating holes in the clutches are also positioned to promote quick passage of the transmission fluid through the discs, minimizing viscous losses due to trapped oil.

The shift schedule adapts to individual driving style, driving situation and road conditions, altering shift points based on an accelerator pedal usage, brake usage, lateral acceleration, altitude and load on the car as a result of grades. Electronically controlled engine torque management provides quick wide-open-throttle up shifts and quick two-step (4-2 or 3-1) kick-down shifts that are exceptionally smooth.

Transmission ratios:
Gear W5A580
1st .........3.59
2nd ........2.19
3rd......... 1.41
4th...........1.00
5th .........0.83
Reverse ..3.16

Fully adaptive electronic control of all shifting makes shifts very smooth. The system monitors the transmission as shifts occur and adjusts hydraulic pressure as needed. In so doing, the controls make the powertrain feel responsive without harshness.

Driver recognition software alters shift points based on accelerator pedal usage, brake usage and lateral acceleration. This does not require a compromise between sporty and economical operation, nor is it a question of choosing one or the other.

A torque management system uses engine torque modeling to facilitate smooth transmission shifting. Because of electronic throttle control, torque management is more sophisticated and covers a broad torque range. Torque converter clutch slippage is electronically modulated and provides for partial engagement in Third, Fourth or Fifth gears. This results in improved shift feel, fuel economy, driveability and cooling. It can be used at lower speeds to provide benefits over a broad speed range. The system disengages as required to provide optimal performance.
 
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