Added Xenon lights to my Mazda 3

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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I got rid of my gas grill. I figured if I wanted to flame broil a steak all I had to do was search for a lighting retrofit thread on BITOG.
To keep this related to original topic, I would like to know if I can just pipe the natural gas to my gas grill. The gas grill was designed to work on the propane tank but gas is gas; so it should be fine to connect to the incoming natural gas. Besides I have read it on the internet that natural gas has higher BTU than propane, so the steak will be flame broiled quicker. I will post the pictures soon so you guys can pat me on the back later.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I got rid of my gas grill. I figured if I wanted to flame broil a steak all I had to do was search for a lighting retrofit thread on BITOG.
To keep this related to original topic, I would like to know if I can just pipe the natural gas to my gas grill. The gas grill was designed to work on the propane tank but gas is gas; so it should be fine to connect to the incoming natural gas. Besides I have read it on the internet that natural gas has higher BTU than propane, so the steak will be flame broiled quicker. I will post the pictures soon so you guys can pat me on the back later.


It's the other way around. Propane has approximately double the energy content of natural gas. My next door neighbor converted his own grills frequently. You have to remove the pressure regulator from the grill's supply line (your natural gas pressure is regulated at your meter). And, you have to drill out the orifice feeding your burners. You'd have to look up the drill bit size, but going from LPG to natural gas you'll be widening the orifice substantially.
 
We are talking about OP's modification of his headlight from halogen to HID.

I didn't have any intention in showing off my S2000 headlight, I took few pictures to compare with OP's picture after HID was installed, to show him that his modification produced too much glare for opposing traffic, it was not a safe HID retrofit.

I think I should have these pictures one on top another for OP to see the difference.


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It wasn't so bad to go off topic. Those who buy the "retrofit" kits will continue to do so. Their brains tell them that the lighting is better and they don't give a rat about the glare. So, all the diatribes, Daniel Stern links, and demonstrations of how to do it correctly will make no difference in the end.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
We are talking about OP's modification of his headlight from halogen to HID.

I didn't have any intention in showing off my S2000 headlight, I took few pictures to compare with OP's picture after HID was installed, to show him that his modification produced too much glare for opposing traffic, it was not a safe HID retrofit.

I think I should have these pictures one on top another for OP to see the difference.


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They weren't warmed up, it is natural for blue light to produce glare.


Plus you took the picture from the front
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
They were just warming up but they are 6K
6000K is on the fringe of being too blue. 4500K-5000K are the whitest of the color range. As an aside, I have read in more than one place that bluish lights actually cause eyestrain during night driving and causes the eyes to become tired more rapidly than whiter lights.

I plan to retrofit a set of HIDs into my F250, but I will be installing HID projectors into the reflector housings as opposed to simply installing HID bulbs into the reflector housings.

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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I got rid of my gas grill. I figured if I wanted to flame broil a steak all I had to do was search for a lighting retrofit thread on BITOG.
To keep this related to original topic, I would like to know if I can just pipe the natural gas to my gas grill. The gas grill was designed to work on the propane tank but gas is gas; so it should be fine to connect to the incoming natural gas. Besides I have read it on the internet that natural gas has higher BTU than propane, so the steak will be flame broiled quicker. I will post the pictures soon so you guys can pat me on the back later.


It's the other way around. Propane has approximately double the energy content of natural gas. My next door neighbor converted his own grills frequently. You have to remove the pressure regulator from the grill's supply line (your natural gas pressure is regulated at your meter). And, you have to drill out the orifice feeding your burners. You'd have to look up the drill bit size, but going from LPG to natural gas you'll be widening the orifice substantially.


Some gas stoves have kits to convert to propane and vice versa, basically a different set of nozzles. You may want to see if there's a kit to convert your propane grill to natural gas. And yes, propane is hotter than natural gas. I've seen a natural gas grill on a roof deck. Propane isn't allowed above the first floor but they'll let you hook up a natural gas grill on a roof deck.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
They weren't warmed up, it is natural for blue light to produce glare.


Plus you took the picture from the front


If you wanted HID's, you should have bought a car with HID or did it right. I have Bixenons in my Mercedes. Looked for a while because I knew I wanted one that had them as a factory option. They're like a 2k option but probably over 3-4k as a post factory retrofit option as the housing alone list for $1500. They auto level and they also have the active curve illumination and headlamp washers. The headlamp washers are required in Europe because the Xenons tend to scatter light when covered in dirt/snow. While they're bi-xenons, they also have a pair of regular high beam halogen bulbs next to them when using the flash to pass feature as it takes a while for the shutters to move when switching between low and high beam. The factory HID lights also have a very clear cut off on the low beam so it doesn't blind other drivers. When you turn them on, they do a little dance, the lights point at the ground, turn left and right and then auto level by pointing straight ahead. It auto levels in case you have a lot in the trunk and the rear rides low, then your beams would be pointing too high.

There several used Mercedes out there that have Bi-xenons and you could pick one up in the 10-15k range.

Cops do write tickets for having non-factory equipment and 6000k is just a dead give away that you don't have factory lights.
 
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD

I plan to retrofit a set of HIDs into my F250, but I will be installing HID projectors into the reflector housings as opposed to simply installing HID bulbs into the reflector housings.


You'll certainly have enough room to fit something in those huge housings, what protector are you going to buy? How do you plan on re sealing the housing? I would use the Honda S2000 projectors
 
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD

I plan to retrofit a set of HIDs into my F250, but I will be installing HID projectors into the reflector housings as opposed to simply installing HID bulbs into the reflector housings.
You'll certainly have enough room to fit something in those huge housings, what protector are you going to buy? How do you plan on re sealing the housing? I would use the Honda S2000 projectors
I have just started my research into it, but there is tons of information out there about these conversions. There are several companies doing these and I will probably buy the projectors from one of them (such as Black Flame Customs as an example).
 
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
I had HID retrofit on a car when I was younger. Live and learn. Went back to regular halogens shortly after. They are not brighter, just an illusion.



There's some good projectors and some bad ones plus the exact placement and different housing can make a good projector sub par. The distance and angle of the housing away from the projector has an effect on how the beam pattern works too as well as glare.
 
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD

I plan to retrofit a set of HIDs into my F250, but I will be installing HID projectors into the reflector housings as opposed to simply installing HID bulbs into the reflector housings.
You'll certainly have enough room to fit something in those huge housings, what protector are you going to buy? How do you plan on re sealing the housing? I would use the Honda S2000 projectors

Two of the best HID projectors currently available are S2000 and Lexus LS460. They are a little expensive compares with other projectors.

Retrofit Halogen to HID is very difficult and time consuming in order to achieve good result. It isn't like changing OEM halogen bulb to +50 or +110 bulb, if you don't like the result you can easily undo it. I think the safest way is buy a second set of housing and quality retrofit kit, swap out the halogen bulb and install HID kit. If it works well then install it, if not then keep the OEM housing.

Research and think twice before you adventure into this project.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I think the safest way is buy a second set of housing and quality retrofit kit, swap out the halogen bulb and install HID kit. If it works well then install it, if not then keep the OEM housing.
I had always planned to do exactly this so that I have my originals untouched.
 
Originally Posted By: SLCraig
I had HID retrofit on a car when I was younger. Live and learn. Went back to regular halogens shortly after. They are not brighter, just an illusion.


I can definitely tell that my factory Bi-xenons are brighter. As others said, without the right projectors, they can actually be worse.
 
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