Added Xenon lights to my Mazda 3

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Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Stewie
They weren't warmed up, it is natural for blue light to produce glare.


Plus you took the picture from the front


If you wanted HID's, you should have bought a car with HID or did it right. I have Bixenons in my Mercedes. Looked for a while because I knew I wanted one that had them as a factory option. They're like a 2k option but probably over 3-4k as a post factory retrofit option as the housing alone list for $1500. They auto level and they also have the active curve illumination and headlamp washers. The headlamp washers are required in Europe because the Xenons tend to scatter light when covered in dirt/snow. While they're bi-xenons, they also have a pair of regular high beam halogen bulbs next to them when using the flash to pass feature as it takes a while for the shutters to move when switching between low and high beam. The factory HID lights also have a very clear cut off on the low beam so it doesn't blind other drivers. When you turn them on, they do a little dance, the lights point at the ground, turn left and right and then auto level by pointing straight ahead. It auto levels in case you have a lot in the trunk and the rear rides low, then your beams would be pointing too high.

There several used Mercedes out there that have Bi-xenons and you could pick one up in the 10-15k range.

Cops do write tickets for having non-factory equipment and 6000k is just a dead give away that you don't have factory lights.


As for cops, they have better things to do up here.

Also, the law states that 300 candelas is the limit.

Unfortunately I do not have $1000 extra to spend.

I guess you still don't get it, my car came with HID projector optics.

Halogen, you will see that there is one in reflector housing which is the high beams and then the cat eyes optic that's low beam and the same as the OEM HID.


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HID OEM housing

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300 candelas given a 100 degrees angle which is around 700 lumens

More than most headlights
 
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Originally Posted By: Vikas
JHZR (?) tried LED ones and his pictures showed good cut off and no glare. He was NOT given the third degree.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb..._th#Post3967972

The differences are: H11 bulb has painted tip, HID bulb has no paint anywhere, LED bulb has no light on tip only on side(s) like H11.

So changing H11 to some LED bulb may be okay for some projectors, but changing halogen to HID and keep halogen projector is most likely not acceptable for generate too much glare to opposite traffic.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
As for cops, they have better things to do up here.

Also, the law states that 300 candelas is the limit.

Unfortunately I do not have $1000 extra to spend.

I guess you still don't get it, my car came with HID projector optics.

Halogen, you will see that there is one in reflector housing which is the high beams and then the cat eyes optic that's low beam and the same as the OEM HID.


You didn't mention that in your write up. You actually said you didn't like the halogens, so if you're converting halogens to HID, then those projectors you have are meant for halogens. They are two different things. Your write up doesn't mention getting the HID projectors. You are not supposed to use HID bulbs in halogen projectors. But many people do and end up blinding other people on the road. While the OEM HID may look the same as a halogen one, it's not.
 
I still don't think he believes us that halogen projectors aren't the same as HID. Incase anyone was too lazy to click the links earlier I'll post the tech links behind the reasons why hid bulbs don't work in halogen projectors from Daniel stern lighting



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Halogen headlamps and HID headlamps require very different optics to produce a safe and effective—not to mention legal—beam pattern. How come? Because of the very different characteristics of the two kinds of light source.

A halogen bulb has a cylindrical light source: the glowing filament. The space immediately surrounding the cylinder of light is completely dark, and so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is along the edges of the cylinder of light. The ends of the filament cylinder fade from bright to dark. An HID bulb, on the other hand, has a crescent-shaped light source -- the arc. It's crescent-shaped because as it passes through the space between the two electrodes, its heat causes it to try to rise. The space immediately surrounding the crescent of light glows in layers...the closer to the crescent of light, the brighter the glow. The ends of the arc crescent are the brightest points, and immediately beyond these points is completely dark, so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is at the ends of the crescent of light.

This diagram shows the very different characteristics of the filament vs. the arc:


When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are the driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.
 
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
Originally Posted By: Stewie
As for cops, they have better things to do up here.

Also, the law states that 300 candelas is the limit.

Unfortunately I do not have $1000 extra to spend.

I guess you still don't get it, my car came with HID projector optics.

Halogen, you will see that there is one in reflector housing which is the high beams and then the cat eyes optic that's low beam and the same as the OEM HID.


You didn't mention that in your write up. You actually said you didn't like the halogens, so if you're converting halogens to HID, then those projectors you have are meant for halogens. They are two different things. Your write up doesn't mention getting the HID projectors. You are not supposed to use HID bulbs in halogen projectors. But many people do and end up blinding other people on the road. While the OEM HID may look the same as a halogen one, it's not.


How are they different in the Mazda 3 projector?

Can anyone show me how they are both different? The optics are the exact same.

Light aim is on point.

PS: I called the dealership parts department and asked whether optics were the same or not, they were.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie


Halogen, you will see that there is one in reflector housing which is the high beams and then the cat eyes optic that's low beam and the same as the OEM HID.


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HID OEM housing

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As I stated earlier, the OEM HID are bixenons.

Your headlights uses separate 9005 high beams (as yours has the inner reflector and the OEM xenons have black blank spot).

The optics, reflector shield & cutoff shields are different between your car and OEM Xenons.

OEM Xenons don't have squirrel finders, like yours.

Thus optics are different -- and that's a fact, not opinion.

HIDplanet guys will insult you pretty bad if you make the same argument there.
 
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: Stewie


Halogen, you will see that there is one in reflector housing which is the high beams and then the cat eyes optic that's low beam and the same as the OEM HID.


s-l1600.jpg



HID OEM housing

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As I stated earlier, the OEM HID are bixenons.

Your headlights uses separate 9005 high beams (as yours has the inner reflector and the OEM xenons have black blank spot).

The optics, reflector shield & cutoff shields are different between your car and OEM Xenons.

OEM Xenons don't have squirrel finders, like yours.

Thus optics are different -- and that's a fact, not opinion.

HIDplanet guys will insult you pretty bad if you make the same argument there.



Results don't lie, I don't care what anyone says.

Did you even see the pictures? They project the same light.

Don't believe everything you read.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Results don't lie, I don't care what anyone says. Did you even see the pictures? They project the same light.
What results? Blinding oncoming drivers with obnoxious glare by installing HID bulbs into a reflector housing? It is very easy to tell the light is not concentrated and directed as a proper HID setup would be. I have OEM HIDs on my Explorer and they do not broadcast light like this:


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I know you are but what am I?
I know you are but what am I?
I know you are but what am I?

Infinity...

That's what this thread is making me think of now.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: Stewie


Halogen, you will see that there is one in reflector housing which is the high beams and then the cat eyes optic that's low beam and the same as the OEM HID.


s-l1600.jpg



HID OEM housing

s-l1600.jpg



As I stated earlier, the OEM HID are bixenons.

Your headlights uses separate 9005 high beams (as yours has the inner reflector and the OEM xenons have black blank spot).

The optics, reflector shield & cutoff shields are different between your car and OEM Xenons.

OEM Xenons don't have squirrel finders, like yours.

Thus optics are different -- and that's a fact, not opinion.

HIDplanet guys will insult you pretty bad if you make the same argument there.



Results don't lie, I don't care what anyone says.

Did you even see the pictures? They project the same light.

Don't believe everything you read.


I don't believe anything you wrote or posted.

YOur pictures mean nothing. Go do a proper wall shot.

your HIDplanet link is comparing apples to oranges. Plus, the Factory HID's for your car is a Bixenon assembly. Do you even know what that means? The Avensis projectors used are not bixenon (or bi-function halogen).
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Results don't lie, I don't care what anyone says.

Did you even see the pictures? They project the same light.

Don't believe everything you read.


Basically you sound like you're pretty clueless and are a narcissist. If you had any common decency and cared about your other fellow motorists, you'd do a little reading and realizing that it's technologically impossible to design a housing that works for both halogen and bixenons. What some guy tells you at a parts counter isn't necessarily true.

You can't go by the picture to tell if it's ok, you'd have to do a lot more work to certify that a light meets DOT specifications. You would need things like a light meter etc. to tell if it's really ok.

The real problem which you fail to understand is that the wrong projector will tend to scatter the light which will blind other drivers. Of course with you behind the light, you won't be able to tell.
 
Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch
Amazing how the best optical engineers in the country all post on BITOG.
One does not have to be an engineer to see the glare that has been created on that vehicle by installing HIDs into halogen low beam only projector housings.
 
Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
Originally Posted By: Jeff_in_VABch
Amazing how the best optical engineers in the country all post on BITOG.
One does not have to be an engineer to see the glare that has been created on that vehicle by installing HIDs into halogen low beam only projector housings.


I don't see any glare projected.
 
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