Added Xenon lights to my Mazda 3

[Stewie]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Stewie
I have never seen people complaining about all German cars having HID lights.


You seem to be missing the massive difference between factory HID and somebody plopping HID bulbs into a halogen housing.


I'll have you know my housing is meant for HID

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Stewie
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Stewie
I have never seen people complaining about all German cars having HID lights.


You seem to be missing the massive difference between factory HID and somebody plopping HID bulbs into a halogen housing.


I'll have you know my housing is meant for HID


Based on? Were they a factory option using the exact same housings?

 

[Stewie]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Stewie
I have never seen people complaining about all German cars having HID lights.


You seem to be missing the massive difference between factory HID and somebody plopping HID bulbs into a halogen housing.


I'll have you know my housing is meant for HID


Based on? Were they a factory option using the exact same housings?


Both halogens and factory HID use the same projector.

 

[Drew99GT]

http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2010-...-thread-76.html

"Take a look at the entire housing for the HID's versus halogen, it's a completely different setup."

It's [censored] like you that blind people because you're too cheap and too narcissistic to do the lights correctly or just leave them alone.

 

[901Memphis]

That's funny that you think halogen projectors are the same as HID projectors but they aren't. If you would have looked at the link I posted you would see how the side by side difference of the halogen filament is completely different than hid which means each housing needs to be made differently to safely aim the light

 

[HTSS_TR]

According to HIDPLANET.COM the projector bowls of halogen and HID may look alike from outside but the inside are different. Halogen bowl can't be used with HID bub.

I did upgrade my OEM HID bulb in my S2000 to newer Osram bulb with the same 4300k but about 3500 lm instead of 3200 lm.

The 12 years old OEM bulb probably degraded to less than 3000lm, the new Osram bulb did improve the light output substantial.

This type of upgrade is very safe, just change old bulb to newer bulb of the same type in a projector bowl designed for it.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Stewie
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Stewie

I'll have you know my housing is meant for HID


Based on? Were they a factory option using the exact same housings?


Both halogens and factory HID use the same projector.


From what others have just posted, the housings are completely different, so your housing is NOT meant for HID.

 

[SatinSilver]

Since you couldn't see shyt at night with the old bulbs you probably need to visit the eye doctor for new glasses or contacts.

 

[DBMaster]

I got rid of my gas grill. I figured if I wanted to flame broil a steak all I had to do was search for a lighting retrofit thread on BITOG.

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
I got rid of my gas grill. I figured if I wanted to flame broil a steak all I had to do was search for a lighting retrofit thread on BITOG.


The lashing is much worse on candlepowerforums

 

[Stewie]

Haters gonna hate

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Stewie
Haters gonna hate


Perhaps if we were talking about some obnoxious but relatively harmless mod like a flatulence cannon, your ghetto lingo would hold some credence. However, the issue with these sort of HID Jerry Rig solutions is that generally the result is obnoxious and dangerous glare that blinds other drivers and subsequently renders you a vehicular menace. That's why there is such vehement opposition to lighting "mods" because Joe Blow thinks he's got way better lighting (when the reality is that he probably doesn't) and he's rolling around oblivious of, or simply caring not that he's blinding other people and directly affecting their safety through his selfish and careless behaviour.

That's why this thread hasn't been a whole series of pats on the back saying "way to go broseph!".

I get that this isn't the feedback you were expecting but you need to consider the reason it is what it is. This site isn't a bunch of boy racers and so the fervor generated by 5K HID's in non-HID housings is on the repercussions of such a mod not the "sweet lights dude" that would be garnered from a less responsible crowd who responds favourably to visual modifications without a second thought to the underlying implications.

I understand that what has been said has rubbed you the wrong way and subsequently why you are taking the feedback as you are but I believe the general theme here is education not beratement, FWIW.

 

[Gasbuggy]

Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: Gasbuggy
They are HID, not Xenon.


same difference. in the context of Automotive HID, they are Xenon gas based.

what do you think they are? Metal halide used in street lamps?


A true Xenon bulb does not have the warm up time that these china made HIDs do. Part of that is the ballast, the other part the gas combination and arc. The OP's lights have something like a 30 second warm up time. Containing a little Xenon gas for start up doesn't make it a true Xenon bulb IMO. Splitting hairs I guess, but real Xenon bulbs are basically instant on full bright.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: Gasbuggy
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: Gasbuggy
They are HID, not Xenon.

Same difference. in the context of Automotive HID, they are Xenon gas based.

what do you think they are? Metal halide used in street lamps?

A true Xenon bulb does not have the warm up time that these china made HIDs do. Part of that is the ballast, the other part the gas combination and arc. The OP's lights have something like a 30 second warm up time. Containing a little Xenon gas for start up doesn't make it a true Xenon bulb IMO. Splitting hairs I guess, but real Xenon bulbs are basically instant on full bright.

This is a little off topic, but I need to respond to this post.

The S2000 had true HID as standard equipment since the first year in 2000. There is a warm up time about 20-30 seconds, regardless if it was with OEM bulb Philips D2S or replacement bulb Osram D2S.

Philips and Osram are 2 of the OEM HID bulbs for most car manufactures.

The Bi-Xenon is a little difference,the high beam is on all the time when you turn on headlight, but a shield cover it until you switch to high beam then the cover moves out to expose the light. People think that it is instant on but it isn't.

 

[RooflessVW]

I'll say that the older style HID - the D1S bulb - does have a brief start flicker and about a 5 second period before being fully bright.

But nothing like these retrofit kits. Most are Chinese junk, AND you get worse lightning out of them.

BTW, 6k is perceived by the eye as white, but white it ain't. It's cold light, and it strains your eyes. You will have better visibility and less eye strain with 4.3k.

Guess what the OEMs use?

 

[DBMaster]

OK, I am not defending any modifications here, but the worst blinding I get on the road is from idiots driving with high beams on all the time, or OEM HID systems. That is either because they are mounted high on an SUV (compared to my small Mazda), or because a good number of OEM systems don't control the glare very well. I'm sure some of you know that HID headlight systems have garnered more complaints to DOT than any previous automotive feature.

All I can say is that, around here, it's not the country anymore and we don't really need ultra powerful headlights or driving lights. The yellowing of plastic lenses is a much bigger issue than underbright bulbs.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
OK, I am not defending any modifications here, but the worst blinding I get on the road is from idiots driving with high beams on all the time, or OEM HID systems. That is either because they are mounted high on an SUV (compared to my small Mazda), or because a good number of OEM systems don't control the glare very well. I'm sure some of you know that HID headlight systems have garnered more complaints to DOT than any previous automotive feature.

All I can say is that, around here, it's not the country anymore and we don't really need ultra powerful headlights or driving lights. The yellowing of plastic lenses is a much bigger issue than underbright bulbs.


Around here the scourge is, by a massive margin, HID's in reflector housings (not projectors) which are just tossing light EVERYWHERE, particularly where it shouldn't be. Pretty common in both trucks and cars.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I'll say that the older style HID - the D1S bulb - does have a brief start flicker and about a 5 second period before being fully bright.

But nothing like these retrofit kits. Most are Chinese junk, AND you get worse lightning out of them.

BTW, 6k is perceived by the eye as white, but white it ain't. It's cold light, and it strains your eyes. You will have better visibility and less eye strain with 4.3k.

Guess what the OEMs use?

I am sorry in correcting this error, the "K" in color temperature isn't 1,000 it is in Kelvin scale. The correct terms are 6,000k and 4,300k and they mean 6,000 Kelvin and 4,300 Kelvin.

The original color temperature in the 90' was 4,300k because it was the limit of technology at that time. But the last few years both Philips and Osram started to produce HID bulbs can produce light up to 5,000k. Some newer OEM HID in Lexus, Benz ... are using 5,000k bulb now.

There is a flaw with Honda S2000 HID system, the car suspension is fairly stiff such that when it goes over small pumps on the road the headlight may jump up and down, the instant it jumped up the light went to the sky. Also, when the car is driving up steep hill the light tend to shine to the sky and it is blinding. The reason for these is S2000 doesn't have self leveling like many high end European cars.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: DBMaster
OK, I am not defending any modifications here, but the worst blinding I get on the road is from idiots driving with high beams on all the time, or OEM HID systems. That is either because they are mounted high on an SUV (compared to my small Mazda), or because a good number of OEM systems don't control the glare very well. I'm sure some of you know that HID headlight systems have garnered more complaints to DOT than any previous automotive feature.

All I can say is that, around here, it's not the country anymore and we don't really need ultra powerful headlights or driving lights. The yellowing of plastic lenses is a much bigger issue than underbright bulbs.

Most OEM HID systems are controlling the light output very well. The only problems I saw in So Cal are from someone who didn't do very good job at retrofit their halogen to HID, such that even I was up to 1/4 miles or more ahead their lights were shining on my rear view light daytime.

The driver side of S2000 doesn't have any light above the top of the rear bumper of any car on front and on the left, it is totally dark, such that opposite traffic doesn't have any glare, all they can see is the parking light.

The light on passenger side went up with an angle of about 5-10 degree after 25-30 degree from the center to shine on street signs.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: Stewie
Haters gonna hate

Stewie, nobody here is hating you for anything. We just don't agree with the way you change from halogen to HID for your car. There is a right way to do it and there are many wrong ways to do it. Your way is clearly not the correct way.

If you like to retrofit you lightning system to HID correctly you should visit HIDPLANET.COM to learn how to do it right.