Added Xenon lights to my Mazda 3

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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I'll say that the older style HID - the D1S bulb - does have a brief start flicker and about a 5 second period before being fully bright.

But nothing like these retrofit kits. Most are Chinese junk, AND you get worse lightning out of them.

BTW, 6k is perceived by the eye as white, but white it ain't. It's cold light, and it strains your eyes. You will have better visibility and less eye strain with 4.3k.

Guess what the OEMs use?

I am sorry in correcting this error, the "K" in color temperature isn't 1,000 it is in Kelvin scale. The correct terms are 6,000k and 4,300k and they mean 6,000 Kelvin and 4,300 Kelvin.

The original color temperature in the 90' was 4,300k because it was the limit of technology at that time. But the last few years both Philips and Osram started to produce HID bulbs can produce light up to 5,000k. Some newer OEM HID in Lexus, Benz ... are using 5,000k bulb now.

There is a flaw with Honda S2000 HID system, the car suspension is fairly stiff such that when it goes over small pumps on the road the headlight may jump up and down, the instant it jumped up the light went to the sky. Also, when the car is driving up steep hill the light tend to shine to the sky and it is blinding. The reason for these is S2000 doesn't have self leveling like many high end European cars.


There is no error to correct; you just took the opportunity to be pedantic. The abbreviation for 4300 is 4.3k. So perhaps I should say 4.3kK?

For the purposes of this meandering and petty thread everyone understood my meaning.

Thanks.
 
Even at candlepowerforums you will get threads closed about retrofit but I personally think it's still the best of the dumbest lighting mods since you are controlling most of the glare.
 
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I'll say that the older style HID - the D1S bulb - does have a brief start flicker and about a 5 second period before being fully bright.

But nothing like these retrofit kits. Most are Chinese junk, AND you get worse lightning out of them.

BTW, 6k is perceived by the eye as white, but white it ain't. It's cold light, and it strains your eyes. You will have better visibility and less eye strain with 4.3k.

Guess what the OEMs use?

I am sorry in correcting this error, the "K" in color temperature isn't 1,000 it is in Kelvin scale. The correct terms are 6,000k and 4,300k and they mean 6,000 Kelvin and 4,300 Kelvin.

The original color temperature in the 90' was 4,300k because it was the limit of technology at that time. But the last few years both Philips and Osram started to produce HID bulbs can produce light up to 5,000k. Some newer OEM HID in Lexus, Benz ... are using 5,000k bulb now.

There is a flaw with Honda S2000 HID system, the car suspension is fairly stiff such that when it goes over small pumps on the road the headlight may jump up and down, the instant it jumped up the light went to the sky. Also, when the car is driving up steep hill the light tend to shine to the sky and it is blinding. The reason for these is S2000 doesn't have self leveling like many high end European cars.


There is no error to correct; you just took the opportunity to be pedantic. The abbreviation for 4300 is 4.3k. So perhaps I should say 4.3kK?

For the purposes of this meandering and petty thread everyone understood my meaning.

Thanks.

I began my post clearly stated that "I am sorry in correcting this error"

In color temperature you can not use "k" as thousand, it must be Kelvin and there is no other way to describe the color temperature.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Haters gonna hate

I won't pile on, because I already lost the plot when they got rid of halogen sealed beams. Whenever my F-150 headlights have diminished performance, thanks to a crack, break, sandblasting, marks, paint, or whatever, for $15, I get factory new (actually probably better, since factory would have been normal sealed beams and not halogens) performance, each and every time.
 
Originally Posted By: Gasbuggy
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: Gasbuggy
They are HID, not Xenon.


same difference. in the context of Automotive HID, they are Xenon gas based.

what do you think they are? Metal halide used in street lamps?


A true Xenon bulb does not have the warm up time that these china made HIDs do. Part of that is the ballast, the other part the gas combination and arc. The OP's lights have something like a 30 second warm up time. Containing a little Xenon gas for start up doesn't make it a true Xenon bulb IMO. Splitting hairs I guess, but real Xenon bulbs are basically instant on full bright.


A true say Philips or Osram D1, D2, D3, & D4 bulbs ALL HAVE WARM UP TIMES. The length of the warmup time is also dependent on the ballast.

Many of the newer cars do not have a separate tungsten-filament bulb high beam for the Flash-to-pass or high beam purpose, so the ballasts on those vehicles are different, which have significantly shorter warm-up times.

I've had S2000 projectors, using Philips 85211+ bulbs with Hella ballasts.... they took around 30 seconds to warm up. Made in Germany bulbs & Ballast/ignitor.

Your so-called "facts" are not really facts
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie


Both halogens and factory HID use the same projector.


no they don't. You have a separate 9005 high beam

the factory HID's use a bixenon projector assembly. The shield assembly does not have the squirrel finder. In lieu of it, they mess with the lens to throw some light up to illuminate road signs.
 
Research how rods and cones in your eyes work and it wil become painfully obvious how light color is so important. In short at low ambient light levels the cones in your eyes have a much harder time seeing colors. When you use blue light at night there is increased difficulty in "translating" to usable information. Many people confuse this irritation with being "brighter". On average 3800-4000K is the more sweeter spot.

Beam pattern is another part of the scenario that is also important to both the driver and oncoming traffic. A lot of people think that dumping light in front of their car at night increases visibility. It simply is an inaccurate assumption.
 
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Haters gonna hate


You weren't well received in that other forum either.

When you start believing the whole world is against you then it's time to examine yourself, not everyone else.
 
Below are 3 picture of my Honda S2000 with OEM low beam HID, high beam is H1 halogen. These pictures were taken with much lower angle than Stewie's picture.

The picture of HID only beam shows a little glare, but with my eyes I saw only the bottom half of the projector lighted up and no glare. I am 100% certain that on a flat surface there is no glare to the oncoming traffic with proper HID setup and aimed correctly.

Headlight off



HID low beam only



Both high and low beams

 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Stewie
Haters gonna hate


You weren't well received in that other forum either.

When you start believing the whole world is against you then it's time to examine yourself, not everyone else.


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Do you see anyone there helping the community?

When you stop being an 4ssh0l3 maybe I will.


So you know, I am there only person there making tutorials and keeping it alive.
 
What's worse than someone doing something stupid to their vehicles out of ignorance is someone doing something stupid to their vehicles when they know it's dangerous, illegal and obnoxious to other drivers. I can tell from the pictures the glare is insane for oncoming drivers, don't be surprised when people flash their high beams at you because your blinding them with your low beams.

Also I hope that cheap ballast doesn't set your car on fire
 
I just want to take the time to point out that OVERKILL said "flatulence cannon," and that is the funniest [censored] thing I've read all day.
 
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
I just want to take the time to point out that OVERKILL said "flatulence cannon," and that is the funniest [censored] thing I've read all day.


Yes, a nice bit of levity in this thread. Those things crack me up - take a perfectly good small engine and make it sound like a two-stroke weed whacker. Awesome.
 
There are exceptions though, to be sure. Lots of S2000 talk in this thread. Head over to YouTube and look up the T1R single exhaust with cat-delete.

It's about as [censored] good as a 4 cylinder can ever sound.

Edit: Turn thy volume up!!!
 
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