91 vs 93 E10 - Which is best for performance?

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In my area 93 No Ethanol is no longer available. My best options are now 91 No Ethanol or 93 E10.

Car in question is a 99 Corvette (LS1) and it is tuned for at least 91.

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From a performance POV get the E10, it emits oxygen as it burns which is why it's called an "oxygenate". This means more theoretical hp, in addition to what you could (maybe) get from the octane points.

Politically I like the pure gas, it goes farther on a tank when just cruising etc.
 
93 octane, no matter how it's achieved, will give better resistance to timing reduction than 91.
 
If you track your Corvette or drive aggressively then 93 E10 is better, if you don't track and/or drive sedately then 91 E0 will give you better gas mileage.

You're lucky to have a choice of 2 premium grades, we don't have any choice in So Cal, premium at all stations is 91 E10.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
From a performance POV get the E10, it emits oxygen as it burns which is why it's called an "oxygenate". This means more theoretical hp, in addition to what you could (maybe) get from the octane points.

Politically I like the pure gas, it goes farther on a tank when just cruising etc.

Uh - not likely with a stock engine. More theoretical HP can come from a system that can advance the timing, and that's primarily related to octane rating. I've seen stuff about racing engines that were tuned for bigger jets, and those did get performance boosts from oxygenated fuel. However, how does that apply to a stock engine?
 
Pure gas has more btu's than e10 however if your car will advance timing til it senses knock then the e10 will give a very slight performance boost.
Yes e10 is oxygenated however that oxygen displaces fuel in each drop,so I use pure gas whenever possible.
Here our premium is pure gas and the regular is e10,so I run premium in everything.
 
93 E10. If anything, the ethanol will resist pre-detonation better thanks to its inherently higher octane.

I've used both in my Cruze (has aftermarket tune). The higher octane gas makes itself felt when caning the car.
 
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Pure gas has more btu's than e10 however if your car will advance timing til it senses knock then the e10 will give a very slight performance boost.
Yes e10 is oxygenated however that oxygen displaces fuel in each drop,so I use pure gas whenever possible.
Here our premium is pure gas and the regular is e10,so I run premium in everything.

I don't think "displacing fuel" matters as long as more fuel can be injected into the combustion chamber.

I've seen some stuff from racing gas marketers about how a lower octane fuel with a higher oxygen content actually produced more peak power than a higher octane fuel with less oxygen. However, they had to increase the size of the fuel jets in order to get more power. Getting more fuel in the combustion chamber actually isn't as hard as getting more air (i.e. atmospheric oxygen) in. The basic idea is that more oxygen in the combustion chamber in the form of alcohol or MTBE is similar to getting more oxygen in from the atmosphere. We all know how to get more air in - more valve surface area and forced induction. But then there needs to be more fuel, and it's not all that complicated to get more fuel in there to match the amount of oxygen.

Quote:
http://www.circletrack.com/enginetech/ctrp_1212_oxygenated_racing_fuels_new_fuel/


VP's Freddy Turza explains that oxygenated fuels are most effective in stock-style or low compression engines because the oxygenated fuel blend helps the engine work more efficiently. "A lot of times when people hear 'oxygenated fuel' they think about cheating with nitromethane in the fuel. And that's not the case. There is a power-enhancing chemical blend that goes into the fuel but the purpose of it is to achieve better vaporization to equalize all of the runners in the intake manifold.

"Whenever you have to work with an inefficient combustion chamber, that's where this fuel is typically going to be the most helpful," he continues. "Like the CHP fuel we designed specifically for applications racing crate engines like the Chevrolet 602 or 604 engines. Those are typically lower compression engines and its efficiency is low because of restrictions in the carburetor, intake manifold, or the intake runners themselves. By increasing the efficiency of the fuel, you are able to help these types of engines generate more power."


Some racing engines use methanol. They simply squirt a higher volume of fuel into the combustion chamber.
 
If had access to E85, I'd be tuned to run it. Octane is octane, no matter how you get it. My tune is for 93 E10. I'd be limited on top end with my smallish upgraded injectors (650cc), due to the increase in volume to run E85. But up to ~4500 rpms, it would be a ton of fun. But I digress. Run the fuel your tuned to.

Does your factory manual say 93 preferred, 91 accceptable? Since 93 isn't available everywhere, that kind of language is common. If so your factory tune is most likely for 93 but they allow 91, due to market variability in the US.

Factory tunes are usually pretty rich to be on the safe side. If you can get a custom tune for the 93, then you'd probably see a little performance and economy gain.
 
The car is custom tuned for the cam and bolt-ons. The tune was done several years ago when 93 was readily available.
 
I can get both locally and can not tell a difference between the two. Usually I will store a car with the pure gas during the winter months. When driving I really do not think it makes a difference...
 
Originally Posted By: 05LGTLtd
If had access to E85, I'd be tuned to run it. Octane is octane, no matter how you get it. My tune is for 93 E10. I'd be limited on top end with my smallish upgraded injectors (650cc), due to the increase in volume to run E85. But up to ~4500 rpms, it would be a ton of fun. But I digress. Run the fuel your tuned to.

Does your factory manual say 93 preferred, 91 accceptable? Since 93 isn't available everywhere, that kind of language is common. If so your factory tune is most likely for 93 but they allow 91, due to market variability in the US.

Factory tunes are usually pretty rich to be on the safe side. If you can get a custom tune for the 93, then you'd probably see a little performance and economy gain.

I think flex fuel engines are designed for using E85, including being able to advance the timing to take advantage of the higher octane rating, and using larger injectors to dump in more fuel. My understanding is that they often generate more power with E85 and that they're more efficient running alcohol with respect to the energy content compared to gasoline without oxygenates.
 
Originally Posted By: stngh8r
The car is custom tuned for the cam and bolt-ons. The tune was done several years ago when 93 was readily available.



Then it sounds like you should run the 93E10.
 
Originally Posted By: Boss302fan
I can get both locally and can not tell a difference between the two. Usually I will store a car with the pure gas during the winter months. When driving I really do not think it makes a difference...


You should consider an in-car data logging session and track the Knock retard values.

In my car, tuned for 93 E0 it can make a difference where you buy it. Just depends on your particular configuration, driving style, carbon build up, etc.

Many subtle factors to tweak here, IMO this question goes to the tuner forum...
 
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