737 MAX 10

[BusyLittleShop]

I'm just as content sitting in one big aluminum tube versus another... my chief concern is they don't spill my drink...

 

[Exhaustgases]

With the end of 747 production I thought the plan was to not stack so many people on a plane anymore?

 

[PimTac]

With the end of 747 production I thought the plan was to not stack so many people on a plane anymore?

Depends on the route and demand. Some parts of the world use a 777 or equivalent on certain domestic routes.

 

[Bill7]

After seeing the families outrage at Boeing's previous CEO's response to those two 737 - Max 8 crashes, and seeing some Boeing ex employee whistleblowers on TV, I have safety concerns. My family and I only fly Airbus A320's. Safety first.

 

[AmBeRnEcTaR]

I understand. I also was on a Alitalia widebody around that time (2005), and it was so very miserable, I said to my self "never" again.

I am packing up my bags right now about to catch a 7 hour flight, two hour layover, 14 hour flight, four hour layover, two hour flight, two hour layover, then a 45 minute flight. Then a one hour uber to get home......

Flights are so booked, currently it takes some painful routing to get home,

I hope you make bags of cash to endure that lifestyle brother.
I mean it.
I couldn't handle it regardless.
Respect...

 

[MNgopher]

After seeing the families outrage at Boeing's previous CEO's response to those two 737 - Max 8 crashes, and seeing some Boeing ex employee whistleblowers on TV, I have safety concerns. My family and I only fly Airbus A320's. Safety first.

Interesting logic given the lower fatality rate of the next generation 737's vs the A320 series.

 

[dogememe]

After seeing the families outrage at Boeing's previous CEO's response to those two 737 - Max 8 crashes, and seeing some Boeing ex employee whistleblowers on TV, I have safety concerns. My family and I only fly Airbus A320's. Safety first.

Both Boeing and Airbus make great planes. Do you really check what type of plane before you fly? lol

 

[Bill7]

Both Boeing and Airbus make great planes. Do you really check what type of plane before you fly? lol

Yes. I always book about 6 months in advance to get the cheapest tickets.
Just got some tickets to Europe for my family at about 600 a ticket.
Before you book, you can check the type of plane for each flight.
I have 2 criteria: Cheapest flight + Safest plane/Safe airline with no crashes in it's history.

 

[Bill7]

Interesting logic given the lower fatality rate of the next generation 737's vs the A320 series.

I hope Boeing fully recovers with a decade of no crashes.

 

[Bill7]

I wish Boeing would bring back the 747. It was my favorite airplane of the 1970's and 1980's.
Perhaps they could have found a way to save it by designing fuel efficient engines for it.

 

[Bjornviken]

After seeing the families outrage at Boeing's previous CEO's response to those two 737 - Max 8 crashes, and seeing some Boeing ex employee whistleblowers on TV, I have safety concerns. My family and I only fly Airbus A320's. Safety first.

Same here

 

[AmBeRnEcTaR]

Same here

I agree with you guys but don't you also agree that after the unfortunate turdswirl, the MAX-8 is probably the most heavily scrutinized air biscuit going, and as such, overly inspected before being set in motion?

 

[Bjornviken]

I agree with you guys but don't you also agree that after the unfortunate turdswirl, the MAX-8 is probably the most heavily scrutinized air biscuit going, and as such, overly inspected before being set in motion?

doesn't matter

 

[97prizm]

That's why they covered up MCAS, so they didn't need to be trained about it (or even know about it), leading to 2 crashes and a lot of deaths.

The biggest blame is southwest airlines. They threw a fit when Boeing was considering a new clean sheet design from what I've been told. Instead of embracing that as a positive they told Boeing to either stretch the 737 so they don't have to recertify their pilots or find a new customer.

 

[Astro14]

Yes. I always book about 6 months in advance to get the cheapest tickets.
Just got some tickets to Europe for my family at about 600 a ticket.
Before you book, you can check the type of plane for each flight.
I have 2 criteria: Cheapest flight + Safest plane/Safe airline with no crashes in it's history.

Airline with no crashes in their history?

Which airlines are you choosing then?

The only airlines with zero crashes are the brand new ones, like Norwegian Air, which is an atrocious story of deception, outsourcing, and poor safety practice. No way I would put my family on that shady operation.

“safest plane” - again, how are you determining that?

Statistically, that’s the 737 over the A320. Sorry, @lurker - like you, I’ve got several thousand hours in the jet, and it’s a great airplane, but statistically, the 737 is safer.

So, on which airline did you book your $600 tickets?

 

[nthach]

The biggest blame is southwest airlines. They threw a fit when Boeing was considering a new clean sheet design from what I've been told. Instead of embracing that as a positive they told Boeing to either stretch the 737 so they don't have to recertify their pilots or find a new customer.

A few pilots I’ve talked to for Southwest said their union tried to make upper management consider the A320/1. The “classic” analog engine instruments layout Boeing offered as an option in the 737NG was to placate Southwest as well - now that the 737-300 is gone, it was flipped back to the “modern” EICAS display.

Southwest depends on tight turnaround of their planes to be back in the air and strict commonality for their pilots. They aren’t UA/AA/DL with different classes of staff. AS is somewhat similar but with a mixed fleet(737/A32x) from the Virgin America buyout.

 

[y_p_w]

I wish Boeing would bring back the 747. It was my favorite airplane of the 1970's and 1980's.
Perhaps they could have found a way to save it by designing fuel efficient engines for it.

Two engines are always going to be more efficient than four. I suppose the only way would have been to redesign it around two engines.

 

[Bill7]

Airline with no crashes in their history?

Which airlines are you choosing then?

The only airlines with zero crashes are the brand new ones, like Norwegian Air, which is an atrocious story of deception, outsourcing, and poor safety practice. No way I would put my family on that shady operation.

“safest plane” - again, how are you determining that?

Statistically, that’s the 737 over the A320. Sorry, @lurker - like you, I’ve got several thousand hours in the jet, and it’s a great airplane, but statistically, the 737 is safer.

So, on which airline did you book your $600 tickets?

Thanks for your post and your interest. It's a French Airline called FrenchBee.
It's hard to find a very cheap flight with the safest airline/safest plane like you said.
I spent days on about 10 different travel search engines, and trying many alternate days for the lowest price.
This is the best one I could find:

https://www.frenchbee.com/
Click on United States English-USD

Paris - New York, Monday 21 August

• Paris - New York: Flight confirmed

Flight 0 From Orly terminal 4 to Newark Liberty International terminal B Departure date:Monday 21 August 2023 19:05 Arrival date:Monday 21 August 2023 21:15 Duration:08:10 Airline::French Bee BF(720) Equipment:Airbus A350-900
ORY
T4
EWR
TB

19:0521:15

08h10m
Confirmed
French Bee (BF720)
Airbus A350-900

 

[Bill7]

Two engines are always going to be more efficient than four. I suppose the only way would have been to redesign it around two engines.

I think the only reason those 1970's 747's needed 4 engines is because most planes of that era needed 4 engines because each engine had lower power than the engines of today. Even the predecessors to the Boeing 737 like the Boeing 707 had 4 engines.

With Boeing's financial resources, and using modern engine technology, they had an opportunity to really innovate and come up with fuel efficient yet powerful twin engine design for the 747's. But sadly, the 747 is now discontinued. Sometimes the best things get discontinued.

 

[Astro14]

Thanks for your post and your interest. It's a French Airline called FrenchBee.
It's hard to find a very cheap flight with the safest airline/safest plane like you said.
I spent days on about 10 different travel search engines, and trying many alternate days for the lowest price.
This is the best one I could find:

https://www.frenchbee.com/
Click on United States English-USD

Paris - New York, Monday 21 August

• Paris - New York: Flight confirmed

Flight 0 From Orly terminal 4 to Newark Liberty International terminal B Departure date:Monday 21 August 2023 19:05 Arrival date:Monday 21 August 2023 21:15 Duration:08:10 Airline::French Bee BF(720) Equipment:Airbus A350-900
ORY
T4
EWR
TB

19:0521:15

08h10m
Confirmed
French Bee (BF720)
Airbus A350-900

Ah, OK. An A-350.

That makes more sense as the A-320 doesn't have the legs (or approvals for over water flying) to get anywhere in Europe.