5W-40 With Both MS 12991 and API SP

[Mike Z]

Hello. First post. I tried to find a list, used several AI programs, forums, etc., and I cannot find much on this. Quaker State Euro and Castrol Edge Euro are two that I've found that have both API-SP and MS12991. Is there a resource I can use to find all oils that have this specification and are available here in the USA? Do you know of any others?

Thanks. Mike

EDIT: The vehicle it is being applied to is a 2022 Ram 1500 Ltd, 3.0 EcoDiesel, 22K miles.

 

[GSCJR]

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Thread 'Where to read about manufacturers oil specifications?'

Jun 6, 2023

I am sure most of the veteran members are going to chime and point to search.

I have searched, and I have read quite a bit.

Background- I have driven diesels for the better part of 20 years. Lots of VW’s, Cummins, powerstroke, and we recently just added an ecodiesel 2022.

All of our diesels have had good success. However, finding Ms-12991 spec oil for the ecodiesel has been somewhat challenging. Which has brought me to the boards here and reading. From what I have read this spec oil tends to bring a “high” for new standards with a DPF SAPS oil…. Favors motor longevity over epa mandated...

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[JavierH19]

That qs 5w-40 is plenty good, use the savings to just change more frequently as that'd be the right thing to do in an ecodiesel. Order it online from walmart for free shipping as in some stores it's unavailable or there's only 1-2 jugs every now and then like at mine.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Quaker-State-Euro-Full-Synthetic-5W-40-Motor-Oil-5-Quart/737859365

 

[kschachn]

Hello. First post. I tried to find a list, used several AI programs, forums, etc., and I cannot find much on this. Quaker State Euro and Castrol Edge Euro are two that I've found that have both API-SP and MS12991. Is there a resource I can use to find all oils that have this specification and are available here in the USA? Do you know of any others?

Thanks. Mike

EDIT: The vehicle it is being applied to is a 2022 Ram 1500 Ltd, 3.0 EcoDiesel, 22K miles.

Besides both having the speciation and license you’re looking for, what else haven’t you found?

 

[Mike Z]

That qs 5w-40 is plenty good, use the savings to just change more frequently as that'd be the right thing to do in an ecodiesel. Order it online from walmart for free shipping as in some stores it's unavailable or there's only 1-2 jugs every now and then like at mine.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Quaker-State-Euro-Full-Synthetic-5W-40-Motor-Oil-5-Quart/737859365

I have some in the garage at the moment; thank you!

 

[Mike Z]

Besides both having the speciation and license you’re looking for, what else haven’t you found?

I am looking for additional options, other than those listed, so that I can evaluate which I feel is best suited for my engine, the way I use it, review of UOAs for those oils from "my" engine, etc. I would have to imagine that there are more that two or three available and I cannot seem to find a cross reference. Is there something that you feel I should be looking for that I am not?

 

[kschachn]

I am looking for additional options, other than those listed, so that I can evaluate which I feel is best suited for my engine, the way I use it, review of UOAs for those oils from "my" engine, etc. I would have to imagine that there are more that two or three available and I cannot seem to find a cross reference. Is there something that you feel I should be looking for that I am not?

No, not if feelings and random UOA are your criteria. I don’t think there is a complete published list of oils that meet MS12991. Meeting or exceeding a material specification isn’t the same as having a license or approval with published lists.

 

[BornSlippy]

Pennzoil Platiunum Euro 5W-40 also meets MS12991.

 

[Mike Z]

No, not if feelings and random UOA are your criteria. I don’t think there is a complete published list of oils that meet MS12991. Meeting or exceeding a material specification isn’t the same as having a license or approval with published lists.

I think most people would have understood when I mentioned how I feel about a particular product that I was referring to a decision based in data and facts. I would not rely on a random UOA. Has anyone suggested anything other than meeting or exceeding a material specification IS the same as having a license or approval? Should have gone with my gut based on your last post and just let you type away to your hearts content.

 

[Mike Z]

Pennzoil Platiunum Euro 5W-40 also meets MS12991.

Thank you very much. I did fail to add that to my list.

 

[Jerrysends]

QS euro or Pennsoil euro 5w40. No practical difference (other than the color of the bottle.)

 

[Dr_Dr3i]

Total Quartz 9000 available online is another good option.

 

[Plumb Bob]

Quaker State 5W-40 - $22.97

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Quaker-S...uart/737859365?classType=VARIANT&from=/search

 

[userfriendly]

Thank you very much. I did fail to add that to my list.

Look up ACEA A3/B4. I’ll bet all of them would pass MS12991 if tested.