Oil for 2022 Gladiator with 3rd Gen 3.0L EcoDiesel
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I appreciate everyone's comments and feedback. It is a learning experience for me.
So there is no confusion, I purchased the Triax Euro LX oil (not "VX") 5w-40 as that was the one Triax recommended since it supposedly meets the Chrysler MS-12991 standard. And it was apparently mislabeled as med-SAPS oil on the product datasheet...which apparently they are correcting on their website this week (it must be high-SAPS to meet the standards it claims which is good info pointed out by Overkill & EDYVW of which I wasn't aware).
So there is no confusion, I purchased the Triax Euro LX oil (not "VX") 5w-40 as that was the one Triax recommended since it supposedly meets the Chrysler MS-12991 standard. And it was apparently mislabeled as med-SAPS oil on the product datasheet...which apparently they are correcting on their website this week (it must be high-SAPS to meet the standards it claims which is good info pointed out by Overkill & EDYVW of which I wasn't aware).
Supposedly mislabeled as are the other things that are mislabeled.
Why you’d trust them with the rest I’m not sure.
But what is the end game using that over one that is actually approved for your vehicle? I don’t think cost savings. I don’t think performance advantage since there is no actual evidence of such.
If it’s just to be different I get it. But that doesn’t always mean better or equal.
If it’s just to be different I get it. But that doesn’t always mean better or equal.
MattPersman, I ordered this oil before I received feedback that the specs were misleading. Since I have it on-hand, I'm sending off a VOA of this oil today. If it comes back as expected and looks safe, I'll likely use it for my first oil change (bought the Gladiator with 19K miles on it so not the first oil change on the vehicle). If I use it, I'll likely pull a sample at 5k miles to see how it is performing and make an OCI decision based on the results in the report.
The misleading part of the specs that is easily identifiable is the "mid-SAPS' label on the original PDS. I didn't understand it is impossible to be a mid-SAPS oil and meet the other specs they claimed. After emailing Triax, they sent me the updated PDS I posted above and stated they would be updating their website with this PDS. As of today (Wed morning) they haven't yet updated the PDS on their website.
If the new specs are accurate (who knows), then it may be a good oil for the EcoDiesel. The rating for 100C viscosity, pour point, and TBN look good. Is the HTHS spec good compared to other oils? (I found no rating to compare HTHS on the PDS of PPE, QSE, and Castrol Euro). In an email, Triax states their SA=1.12.
I have looked at several UOAs for PPE and QSE and it appears their 100C viscosity breaks down to 30W class in 5k - 6k miles. Not sure I want to run those oils over 6K miles and that's one reason I was looking for a better oil and found the Triax Euro LX (TELX). Since it was located in Texas (USA), I trusted their advertising and PDS when I placed the order.
If the TELX doesn't pan out, I would still like to find an oil I can trust to last the OEM recommended 10K OCIs (if possible). I don't think I trust PPE or QSE to do this based on the drop in viscosity at 5K - 6K miles on UOAs. I've looked at one UOA of Castrol Edge Euro 5w-40 at 10K miles and it looked decent so I would lean that way at the moment.
If the new specs are accurate (who knows), then it may be a good oil for the EcoDiesel. The rating for 100C viscosity, pour point, and TBN look good. Is the HTHS spec good compared to other oils? (I found no rating to compare HTHS on the PDS of PPE, QSE, and Castrol Euro). In an email, Triax states their SA=1.12.
I have looked at several UOAs for PPE and QSE and it appears their 100C viscosity breaks down to 30W class in 5k - 6k miles. Not sure I want to run those oils over 6K miles and that's one reason I was looking for a better oil and found the Triax Euro LX (TELX). Since it was located in Texas (USA), I trusted their advertising and PDS when I placed the order.
If the TELX doesn't pan out, I would still like to find an oil I can trust to last the OEM recommended 10K OCIs (if possible). I don't think I trust PPE or QSE to do this based on the drop in viscosity at 5K - 6K miles on UOAs. I've looked at one UOA of Castrol Edge Euro 5w-40 at 10K miles and it looked decent so I would lean that way at the moment.
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If those viscosity deviations are due to fuel dilution (which the vast majority are) then the oil choice will have no bearing on that. Add to the mix that most UOA on here are Blackstone and they cannot distinguish between fuel dilution and mechanical shear.
Also this is highly dependent on the specific engine and operating conditions which may or may not apply to your particular situation.
Most commercial oils today utilize high quality VM and mechanical shear is not the monster most people imagine.
In Europe there are very few oils that could be considered only for petrol or diesel engines.
The only ones you can find are for diesel only and meant for commercial vehicles but you usually have to buy them from a specific retailer, normally trade only.
The same VM Motori engine is used in the Maserati Ghibli
These are the specs of the Motul X-Cess 5w40 which compares well with the oil you have chosen and Motul is a good product.
The only VM Motori engine I know of that had significant bottom end problems was the 2.5 VM as fitted to the TX4 London Taxi, the Jeep Cherokee, the LDV Maxus vans and the Grand Voyager.
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MOTUL 8100 X-CESS GEN2 5W-40 - Motul
MOTUL 8100 X-CESS GEN2 5W-40 High performance 100% Synthetic lubricant specifically designed for powerful and recent cars fitted with large displaceme
new.motul.com
Looking at the Motul Gen 2 the MS 12991 spec is listed.
Looking at this oil..to keep it bias free i'll withhold the brand and just provide the specs.
SAE Grade 5W-40 Full Syn.
Viscosity 40*C cSt (ASTM D445) 85.50-89.00
Viscosity 100*C cSt (ASTM D445) 13.50 –15.00
CCS Viscosity @ -30*C cP (ASTM D5293) 5,913
High Temperature High Shear Viscosity 302*F/150*C Cp (ASTM D4683) 3.91
Mini-rotary Viscosity-TP.1 @ -35*C cP (ASTM D4684) 20,900
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 164
Flash Point *F/*C (ASTM D92) 437*/225*
Stable Pour Point *F/*C (FTM 7916 Method 203) <-41*/<-42*
Sulfated Ash Content % Wt. (ASTM D874) 0.98
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896) 9.74
NOACK Volatility (ASTM D5800) % Evaporation Loss @ 250*C 10.7%
Shear Stability % Viscosity Loss 90 Passes (ASTM D7109) 10%
Foam Test (ASTM D892 Option A)
Sequence I 0/0
Sequence II 0/0
Sequence III 0/0
SAE Grade 5W-40 Full Syn.
Viscosity 40*C cSt (ASTM D445) 85.50-89.00
Viscosity 100*C cSt (ASTM D445) 13.50 –15.00
CCS Viscosity @ -30*C cP (ASTM D5293) 5,913
High Temperature High Shear Viscosity 302*F/150*C Cp (ASTM D4683) 3.91
Mini-rotary Viscosity-TP.1 @ -35*C cP (ASTM D4684) 20,900
Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) 164
Flash Point *F/*C (ASTM D92) 437*/225*
Stable Pour Point *F/*C (FTM 7916 Method 203) <-41*/<-42*
Sulfated Ash Content % Wt. (ASTM D874) 0.98
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896) 9.74
NOACK Volatility (ASTM D5800) % Evaporation Loss @ 250*C 10.7%
Shear Stability % Viscosity Loss 90 Passes (ASTM D7109) 10%
Foam Test (ASTM D892 Option A)
Sequence I 0/0
Sequence II 0/0
Sequence III 0/0
rotella 5w40 and change at 25% of oil life, diesels now days put alot of soot in the oil.
No one?
No one???
IIRC @RDY4WAR has some insight here and solid recommendations
Based on MANY UOA's, the flavor of choice in the tight EcoDiesel world is AMSOIL Euro 5w-40 AFL. It' not "spec'd" per Chrysler but continually outperforms everything else on the market. Trust the numbers, not the fee's to have an oil approved. AMSOIL does offer an oil that's approved, but the AFL leads the pack, followed by HPL. On Facebook look for the group:EcoDiesel Page for the Differently Abled and Intellectually Challenged.
