2nd Kreen Cleaning -- 98 Camry V6 -- Results
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Originally Posted By: V8man
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: V8man
the thread was shut down because BITOG Management thought it was about pushing a non sponsored product.
So, you're OK with the grief given to ARX users. Gotcha.
And perhaps you should read the thread. Let us know when you get to this part:
"Why not instead of just promoting this stuff starting another thread about engines ARX didn't work on.
I have a long list! If your going to shill (sorry but its blatantly obvious IMHO) at least be fair and balanced."
I am not OK with the grief given to ARX users,
If you're not OK with it, you've certainly showed it..............actually, no.
You haven't used either one, so..............
So c3.....er....V8man, that leaves us...... where.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: V8man
the thread was shut down because BITOG Management thought it was about pushing a non sponsored product.
So, you're OK with the grief given to ARX users. Gotcha.
And perhaps you should read the thread. Let us know when you get to this part:
"Why not instead of just promoting this stuff starting another thread about engines ARX didn't work on.
I have a long list! If your going to shill (sorry but its blatantly obvious IMHO) at least be fair and balanced."
I am not OK with the grief given to ARX users,
If you're not OK with it, you've certainly showed it..............actually, no.
You haven't used either one, so..............
So c3.....er....V8man, that leaves us...... where.
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Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Mystic, have you checked out the pics on the Auto RX website?
Some of Gary's threads show how well it worked.
Yes but he changed his mind a year after his death on the E46fanatics forum.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14316081&highlight=#post14316081
I really wonder who would stoop so low as part of an effort to discredit a product?
*Disclaimer on my part that I have never used Auto RX so can not testify personally whether it works or not. However I take everyone at their word that for their circumstances it did or did not work. That includes Trav who had no apparent results with Auto RX but who right after using $300 worth of Auto RX found that Kreen worked in every engine that Auto RX had not.
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Mystic, have you checked out the pics on the Auto RX website?
Some of Gary's threads show how well it worked.
Yes but he changed his mind a year after his death on the E46fanatics forum.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14316081&highlight=#post14316081
I really wonder who would stoop so low as part of an effort to discredit a product?
*Disclaimer on my part that I have never used Auto RX so can not testify personally whether it works or not. However I take everyone at their word that for their circumstances it did or did not work. That includes Trav who had no apparent results with Auto RX but who right after using $300 worth of Auto RX found that Kreen worked in every engine that Auto RX had not.
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Mystic, have you checked out the pics on the Auto RX website?
Some of Gary's threads show how well it worked.
Yes but he changed his mind a year after his death on the E46fanatics forum.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14316081&highlight=#post14316081
I really wonder who would stoop so low as part of an effort to discredit a product?
*Disclaimer on my part that I have never used Auto RX so can not testify personally whether it works or not. However I take everyone at their word that for their circumstances it did or did not work. That includes Trav who had no apparent results with Auto RX but who right after using $300 worth of Auto RX found that Kreen worked in every engine that Auto RX had not.
Gary returned, 12 mths after passing away, on an Aussie section of a BMW forum. It took me a while to work out who it was, but he is a man of many colours. It doesn't get much sicker than that folks!
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FoxS
Mystic, have you checked out the pics on the Auto RX website?
Some of Gary's threads show how well it worked.
Yes but he changed his mind a year after his death on the E46fanatics forum.
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=14316081&highlight=#post14316081
I really wonder who would stoop so low as part of an effort to discredit a product?
*Disclaimer on my part that I have never used Auto RX so can not testify personally whether it works or not. However I take everyone at their word that for their circumstances it did or did not work. That includes Trav who had no apparent results with Auto RX but who right after using $300 worth of Auto RX found that Kreen worked in every engine that Auto RX had not.
Gary returned, 12 mths after passing away, on an Aussie section of a BMW forum. It took me a while to work out who it was, but he is a man of many colours. It doesn't get much sicker than that folks!
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Gary returned, 12 mths after passing away, on an Aussie section of a BMW forum. It took me a while to work out who it was, but he is a man of many colours. It doesn't get much sicker than that folks!
That's pretty sick.........Real sick in fact.....
Gary returned, 12 mths after passing away, on an Aussie section of a BMW forum. It took me a while to work out who it was, but he is a man of many colours. It doesn't get much sicker than that folks!
That's pretty sick.........Real sick in fact.....
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Gary returned, 12 mths after passing away, on an Aussie section of a BMW forum. It took me a while to work out who it was, but he is a man of many colours. It doesn't get much sicker than that folks!
That's pretty sick.........Real sick in fact.....
And I'll bet you know who I'm talking about.........
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Gary returned, 12 mths after passing away, on an Aussie section of a BMW forum. It took me a while to work out who it was, but he is a man of many colours. It doesn't get much sicker than that folks!
That's pretty sick.........Real sick in fact.....
And I'll bet you know who I'm talking about.........
I have an idea, but can't say 100% for sure. Either way that's sad and sick all mixed into one.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: V8man
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: V8man
the thread was shut down because BITOG Management thought it was about pushing a non sponsored product.
So, you're OK with the grief given to ARX users. Gotcha.
And perhaps you should read the thread. Let us know when you get to this part:
"Why not instead of just promoting this stuff starting another thread about engines ARX didn't work on.
I have a long list! If your going to shill (sorry but its blatantly obvious IMHO) at least be fair and balanced."
I am not OK with the grief given to ARX users,
If you're not OK with it, you've certainly showed it..............actually, no.
You haven't used either one, so..............
So c3.....er....V8man, that leaves us...... where.
???????
Originally Posted By: V8man
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: V8man
the thread was shut down because BITOG Management thought it was about pushing a non sponsored product.
So, you're OK with the grief given to ARX users. Gotcha.
And perhaps you should read the thread. Let us know when you get to this part:
"Why not instead of just promoting this stuff starting another thread about engines ARX didn't work on.
I have a long list! If your going to shill (sorry but its blatantly obvious IMHO) at least be fair and balanced."
I am not OK with the grief given to ARX users,
If you're not OK with it, you've certainly showed it..............actually, no.
You haven't used either one, so..............
So c3.....er....V8man, that leaves us...... where.
???????
I have not been to the Auto-RX website in a very long time. I really don't know what is going on there. But if they have photographs of the interior of an engine after an Auto-RX cleaning than why do the Auto-RX promoters here seem to be against photography? If the stuff works before and after photography should show it.
I think we can assume that Mobil 1 oils and Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra motor oils work because photography shows it when the interior of engines are revealed and are almost as clean as brand new!
I think we can assume that Mobil 1 oils and Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra motor oils work because photography shows it when the interior of engines are revealed and are almost as clean as brand new!
Mystic, would you say demarpaint is against photography since he has said MMO has cleaned (and I believe him), but not provided pictures?
Also would you say Trav is against pictures since he said Kreen worked (and I believe him), but not provided pictures?
The pictures of Auto RX that you asked for are on their website.
If you choose not to view them but instead ask why longstanding members who report positive results with Auto RX don't take apart their engines to take photographs when the compression results have already told them it worked, then what does that say about what you want to believe?
Also would you say Trav is against pictures since he said Kreen worked (and I believe him), but not provided pictures?
The pictures of Auto RX that you asked for are on their website.
If you choose not to view them but instead ask why longstanding members who report positive results with Auto RX don't take apart their engines to take photographs when the compression results have already told them it worked, then what does that say about what you want to believe?
I see Gary Allan posted on E46Fanatics today. Pretty remarkable that
I agree with you. That is shameful and whoever is doing that has no respect.
I really cannot understand the opposition to before and after photographs. I just do not get it. Let me explain in detail.
People who have successfully kept their engines very clean using Mobil 1 oils and Pennzoil oils like Platinum have already displayed photographs here of the interior of their engines. They did this on their own. The engines looked very clean, almost brand new in appearance in some cases even with high mileage vehicles. Those photographs generously supplied by those members provide evidence that Mobil 1 oils and Pennzoil oils like Platinum can keep engines very clean, making cleaning products unnecessary.
I have not discussed photography with demarpaint or Trav. I am sure they certainly would not be against such photography especially if somebody did an engine cleaning using MMO or Kreen with before and after photographs and the engine was successfully cleaned.
Artem himself is supplying photographs of the engine in his car as he tests Kreen and Auto-RX+.
I am not saying that anybody here has to remove their oil pans or valve covers or overhead cam covers to prove anything. People who wish to advance what we know here are doing things like that on their own. OVERKILL did it to show how Mobil 1 oils kept the engine in one of his vehicles very clean. Artem is doing it now to show the results of testing various cleaning products. It is even possible to buy tiny cameras that can view the inside of a non-running engine so that parts do not have to be removed.
Both Trav and demarpaint have observed how the performance of vehicles has improved after cleaning with either MMO or Kreen. They have observed this with several vehicles. Trav is a mechanic and demarpaint has almost 40 years of experience using MMO. Surely their experience is as valuable as sprintman's experience.
And I will be very frank. I will not be impressed with Auto-RX testing until it is done by somebody here at this website who is not busy all the time promoting Auto-RX. That is called a conflict of interest. So what if somebody claims he has observed compression go up in vehicles cleaned with Auto-RX? I am supposed to automatically believe that if the guy is promoting Auto-RX?
Let me give you an example. Let us say that I worked for Pennzoil. If you knew that and if I was constantly promoting Pennzoil products here, claiming that Pennzoil made the best motor oils, etc., would YOU AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE WHAT I WAS SAYING? Are you required to believe what I say just because I was working for Pennzoil? If I said that using Pennzoil motor oils improved the compression in vehicles after I had switched those vehicles to Pennzoil would you automatically believe what I was saying? Are you required to believe what I say?
People here like to have some proof. Is there anything wrong with that?
I don't expect anybody to supply photographs. But if they do it helps to prove what they are saying. Just like compression readings help. I think all of this is obvious.
People who have successfully kept their engines very clean using Mobil 1 oils and Pennzoil oils like Platinum have already displayed photographs here of the interior of their engines. They did this on their own. The engines looked very clean, almost brand new in appearance in some cases even with high mileage vehicles. Those photographs generously supplied by those members provide evidence that Mobil 1 oils and Pennzoil oils like Platinum can keep engines very clean, making cleaning products unnecessary.
I have not discussed photography with demarpaint or Trav. I am sure they certainly would not be against such photography especially if somebody did an engine cleaning using MMO or Kreen with before and after photographs and the engine was successfully cleaned.
Artem himself is supplying photographs of the engine in his car as he tests Kreen and Auto-RX+.
I am not saying that anybody here has to remove their oil pans or valve covers or overhead cam covers to prove anything. People who wish to advance what we know here are doing things like that on their own. OVERKILL did it to show how Mobil 1 oils kept the engine in one of his vehicles very clean. Artem is doing it now to show the results of testing various cleaning products. It is even possible to buy tiny cameras that can view the inside of a non-running engine so that parts do not have to be removed.
Both Trav and demarpaint have observed how the performance of vehicles has improved after cleaning with either MMO or Kreen. They have observed this with several vehicles. Trav is a mechanic and demarpaint has almost 40 years of experience using MMO. Surely their experience is as valuable as sprintman's experience.
And I will be very frank. I will not be impressed with Auto-RX testing until it is done by somebody here at this website who is not busy all the time promoting Auto-RX. That is called a conflict of interest. So what if somebody claims he has observed compression go up in vehicles cleaned with Auto-RX? I am supposed to automatically believe that if the guy is promoting Auto-RX?
Let me give you an example. Let us say that I worked for Pennzoil. If you knew that and if I was constantly promoting Pennzoil products here, claiming that Pennzoil made the best motor oils, etc., would YOU AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE WHAT I WAS SAYING? Are you required to believe what I say just because I was working for Pennzoil? If I said that using Pennzoil motor oils improved the compression in vehicles after I had switched those vehicles to Pennzoil would you automatically believe what I was saying? Are you required to believe what I say?
People here like to have some proof. Is there anything wrong with that?
I don't expect anybody to supply photographs. But if they do it helps to prove what they are saying. Just like compression readings help. I think all of this is obvious.
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If Trav or demarpaint were to test Auto-RX+ and have positive results I would stand up and take notice. Because they are not promoting Auto-RX here.
If somebody is promoting Auto-RX here every opportunity they have to do so I am not quite so ready to believe their wonderful experiences with Auto-RX.
After several people here show photographs of engines kept clean by using Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum motor oil I tend to believe that those motor oils do keep an engine clean.
If somebody is promoting Auto-RX here every opportunity they have to do so I am not quite so ready to believe their wonderful experiences with Auto-RX.
After several people here show photographs of engines kept clean by using Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum motor oil I tend to believe that those motor oils do keep an engine clean.
Originally Posted By: Mystic
If Trav or demarpaint were to test Auto-RX+ and have positive results I would stand up and take notice. Because they are not promoting Auto-RX here.
If somebody is promoting Auto-RX here every opportunity they have to do so I am not quite so ready to believe their wonderful experiences with Auto-RX.
After several people here show photographs of engines kept clean by using Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum motor oil I tend to believe that those motor oils do keep an engine clean.
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
If Trav or demarpaint were to test Auto-RX+ and have positive results I would stand up and take notice. Because they are not promoting Auto-RX here.
If somebody is promoting Auto-RX here every opportunity they have to do so I am not quite so ready to believe their wonderful experiences with Auto-RX.
After several people here show photographs of engines kept clean by using Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum motor oil I tend to believe that those motor oils do keep an engine clean.
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
Originally Posted By: sprintman
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: sprintman
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Brent is. He's back on E46Fanatics today.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Brent is. He's back on E46Fanatics today.
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: sprintman
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Brent is. He's back on E46Fanatics today.
Using my name?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: sprintman
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Brent is. He's back on E46Fanatics today.
Using my name?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: sprintman
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Brent is. He's back on E46Fanatics today.
Using my name?
He's Gary Allan today
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: sprintman
You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?
It seems my name is being used on other sites w/o me knowing it, unless I'm sleep posting...........It's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Brent is. He's back on E46Fanatics today.
Using my name?
He's Gary Allan today
Sad, real sad.
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