2nd Kreen Cleaning -- 98 Camry V6 -- Results

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Mystic, Artem has provided photos that neither Kreen or Auto RX worked.

He feels that Auto RX worked a bit better than Kreen but he is talking about a 10% effect vs a 2% effect where we also can't separate out softening from a prior product.

From that, what are your conclusions about the ability to clean of:

a) Kreen
b) Auto RX

Also, who are the ARX promoters whose results you are disregarding because they have a conflict of interest?

Please name names here. Is dnewton one of them?

Please give direct answers to my direct questions. So far I am not receiving direct answers to my questions from you.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
I agree with you. That is shameful and whoever is doing that has no respect.


Someone must be seriously angry at Auto RX / Frank Miller to have stooped so low.

I personally can't understand what could get anyone worked up so much that they can't let go of a bad experience. At the end of the day, it is they who suffer and become an angry and bitter old man. Letting go and finding positive things to do with ones time is obviously the more difficult thing to do for some people.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Mystic
If Trav or demarpaint were to test Auto-RX+ and have positive results I would stand up and take notice. Because they are not promoting Auto-RX here.

If somebody is promoting Auto-RX here every opportunity they have to do so I am not quite so ready to believe their wonderful experiences with Auto-RX.

After several people here show photographs of engines kept clean by using Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum motor oil I tend to believe that those motor oils do keep an engine clean.


You're sounding more like c3po every day. As he's taken over so many usernames here I'm wondering if it really is Mystic posting?


Trust me, it is the real Mystic. I did nail Pontiac Fan/Laddie after all
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Originally Posted By: Trajan


Trust me, it is the real Mystic. I did nail Pontiac Fan/Laddie after all
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Yes! Mystic and Trav are real, the name snatcher ASFAIK hasn't taken them over, and they are not reincarnates. On a more serious note, stealing someone's user name and joining another site with it is to trash someone or something is pretty sad. If that person is dead, now that's sick........
 
Well, I tell you what sprintman. Personally I can hardly even remember c3po. So it would be hard for me to copy the guy. People who stand out in my memory are guys like Johnny, Bob, demarpaint, Trav, even you from the past, even Mori although he was kind of a pain. There have been several others I remember like Buster, although he does not seem to post much nowadays. I have only a vague memory of c3po and I would have to look up his old posts to even remember much about what he talked about. So don't worry-this is me.

If I start becoming like anybody else here it would be Johnny before he started to promote ZMax. Because every day I become more convinced that Johnny was right (before he became a ZMax promoter) and aside from fuel system cleaners and maybe fuel stabilizer for the lawnmower fuel it is better just to use high quality motor oil. About the only supplements Johnny really approved of before he changed was fuel system cleaners.

But I suppose the guy I would really like to be like was Bob. Bob was the real deal. And still the guy I respected the most here. I have a lot of respect for guys like Trav and demarpaint also.
 
FoxS, I can't really say all that much about Artem's results. It is just one guy and one car and one engine and we would need to have test results from a few vehicles before we could really say much of anything. Plus Artem is still testing the Auto-RX+.

I have seen evidence that some motor oils such as Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum can kept an engine clean. Do a search and locate the many photographs from several engines that people have shown at this website. So it appears to me that using high quality motor oils is a step in the right direction for people seeking cleaner engines.

Artem seemed to get little to no results using Kreen or the older Auto-RX. Again it is only one engine and varnish might be hard to remove especially from an aluminum engine. But based on his results (this is only one car and one engine) I would have to say that neither Kreen nor the older Auto-RX seemed to do much good. Again, however, the sample base is too small. If we sampled many vehicles we might have to come to different conclusions.

I am not going to point fingers at anybody here and say that this guy is a promoter of a product. But if somebody here again and again and again seems to be promoting some product there must be a reason. There are people here who seem to really champion one product and put down anything else that might be a competitor. After all, these cleaning products are in competition with each other. I personally have used Auto-RX, MMO mainly in fuel for automobiles and fuel and oil in lawnmowers, and I have not used Kreen at all. I don't use Auto-RX anymore but I am a 100% honest guy and I will state that Auto-RX did seem to stop a seal leak on a car I used to own. But over the years I have seen very little evidence that Auto-RX cleans like it is supposed to clean. I see more evidence here in fact that some motor oils such as Mobil 1 might be able to clean.

I am reaching the point where I get very tired of people fighting over these products and I might just eventually get to where I start saying just to use quality motor oil and avoid supplements of all types except for fuel system cleaners.
 
By the way, I am not saying that there is necessarily something wrong with somebody being a promoter of some product. If you really believe in some product you are going to promote that product. Somebody can even be a paid promoter of a product, but if they are I think they need to tell people that they are being paid to promote a product.
 
Mystic, I too believe in using high quality oils, changed on time, to keep an engine clean. Pretty simple really.

The pictures you refer to (which I've seen), are they examples where a high quality oil KEPT an engine clean or where it CLEANED a dirty engine?

As has been mentioned before, the former is far easier than the latter.
 
Well, OVERKILL had used various Mobil 1 oils from about 3000 miles in that one vehicle. So I guess you would have to say that the Mobil 1 oils kept the engine clean. But Falcon (can't remember his exact username) showed a photo where apparently Pennzoil Platinum had cleaned an engine to some degree. And there have been photographs to show where Mobil 1 and Pennzoil Platinum or Ultra apparently cleaned dirty engines.

Certainly it would be easier to maintain a clean engine rather than cleaning a very dirty engine. Just like it is easier to maintain a clean house and harder to clean a very dirty house.
 
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Also worth noting, had this stuff worked well for me, Trav and I were going to sell it together in Germany.
 
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Also worth noting, had this stuff worked well for me, Trav and I were going to sell it together in Germany.


You posted that it worked exceptionally well in your auto trans....
Memory loss?
 
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Key word being auto trans, not engine.


And take a look at that engine! FOUR ARX treatments!

I guess you read and followed the instructions too.
 
This is why I switch off with people who make black and white statements.

Auto RX worked for Falcons transmission but not his engine.

It seems that Auto RX did not do a good job of removing varnish from an aluminium engine.

These are important qualifications. Any engineer worth his salt, knows to diagnose, understand the mechanism that caused an issue, and then to suggest a course of treatment suitable for that circumstance.

Trying to distill these products into black and white statements of whether they work or not is not at all helpful for the furtherance of knowledge that people originally came to these forums for.
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Also worth noting, had this stuff worked well for me, Trav and I were going to sell it together in Germany.


http://auto-rx.activeboard.com/t18761180/smooth-as-ever/



Me thinks Falcon_LS has some explaining to do


Nah, what is there to explain really? It worked well for him.
 
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So this argument is about your belief that you should be able to go to Walmart and pick up a bottle of oil additive that will clean up any neglected engine and get it back to new both in appearance and performance. This product should cost very little and be guaranteed to work. Just like a vacuum cleaner.

Perhaps what you are really describing is a genie in a bottle?

And you're telling us that after 10 years on a board which exists primarily so people can talk about optimizing their oil choice, that the world of fluids shouldn't be one where certain fluids are optimized or inherently better for specific purposes. There shouldn't be oils that are better than others at cleaning, some that are better than others at extended intervals, there shouldn't be synthetics that are GTL with inherently lower Noack or Grp V with Esters. Everything should perform the same, just like a vacuum cleaner.

Now I get where you're coming from. Perhaps you should use a vacuum cleaner to clean your engine?
 
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