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2025 Toyota Rav4 personal engine oil struggle.
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One of you asked me to do that, so how do turn it into a link, or was it already a link once I reposted it.
Not really. HPL is still more expensiveFor just a little more than the cost of an oil change with M1 ESP and the Liqui Moly MoS2, you could use HPL.
Grand total, with the Walmart labor, my filter and my oil and MoS2, it was about $87.50. With HPL it would have been about $125.00 Total.
That's why I said "for a little more."
I'm not sure where you "reposted" it. I don't see any links you posted.
You make a link by using that button with two links of a chain on it.
You copy and paste the URL and type what text you want the link to display.
For 6 quarts? Don't know how you calculated that.
Don't really know how you got that. Here's a case of oil because presumably you're going to change it once again in the future. You can do an oil change (assuming 6 quart oil capacity) for about $75. Toyota Denso filter is about $4. So you can actually do it for less than what you're claiming the oil, the useless additive you bought, and your filter cost.
How much are you paying the Toyota dealer to do it for you?
Well, I will give you give you approximates here, it is difficult for me to get around and I am not going to the basement to get the receipt right now. Here we go. The oil, Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 was a 5-quart jug, about 5.40 a quart. My Baldwin filters I bought shortly after I bought the car, from a local parts store, a full case of 12 during the annual, one month Baldwin filter sale, they figure out to about $5.00 a piece. The MoS2 I bring in from Amazon on my Amazon Prime automatic monthly delivery deal, I bring a can in every 4 months, about $10.00 a can, actually a little less. Walmart charges me $32.00 labor. It adds up to $74.00. The HPL 5 quarts would cast me about $17.00 a quart, that is $85.00 in oil, $5.00 filter, $32.00 labor, that comes to $122.00, using the HPL. That is about a $48.00 difference in the oil change between the two. Anyhow, roughly, that is what I got. We know that HPL, Amsoil and Redline are superior oils, we also know I don't "need" the MoS2 or even the Euro spec 3.5 HTHS oil, but that is what I want to use. At least for now.
HPL Euro 0w-30 costs me $17.00 a quart, plus the shipping to get it here. I did this change at Walmart for $35.00 labor, Toyota charges me $35.00 labor, but I didn't have an appointment set up, and I was in the mood to get an oil change. My Toyota take 4.7 quarts for an oil and filter change.
HPL PCMO is more than adequate for your needs. I didn't realize that you only needed 4.7 quarts. A little searching told me you had a 6 quart sump. With 4.7 quarts, and you could drop this a little more by buying gallons, you'd pay $59.59 in oil for your car plus the filter. So in line with what I said above. For "a little more" you can change the oil with HPL. There is a coupon for BITOG members which I used as well, demonstrated above.
I bought Kirkland oil for $15/5 quart jug (free shipping). "a little more" for HPL? Ha ha.
Use what you like, just don't try to make HPL seem affordable, because it's not.
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exactly, the shipping on the HPL from his screenshot is more than the kirkland oil itself. no thanks!
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ROI is a matter of outputs relative to inputs.
HPL will never be cost competitive if your OCIs are 10k miles or less. But run 25k+ miles and they will outperform other choices, and the ROI makes them viable.
For you to say it's not affordable is only accurate relative to a set of preconceived conditions you arbitrarily set.
It can also be true to say that HPL (and Amsoil, etc) can be cost effective if the OCIs are optimized relative to the cost structure.
Yeah, but you're not factoring the cost of sleeping aids that come attached to a 25k+ OCI for some members.
I wasn't referring to you and your case. OP is willing to spend money on oil additives that offer no benefit and possible harm. I was simply demonstrating, if he has that much money in his wallet that is annoying him, he could spend, again, "a little more" for HPL.
I don't arbitrarily set maintenance schedules, OEMs set the schedule.
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Perhaps it is just me. I don't follow the logic behind extended OCI on a street driven car with boutique oils which cost 2-3x of Mobil 1/Castrol Edge/PUP/etc.?
For people who like to stay clean, would you rather shower daily with Irish Spring or once a week with handcrafted soap?
For people who like to stay clean, would you rather shower daily with Irish Spring or once a week with handcrafted soap?
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Not the best analogy. Your engine will be far cleaner running HPL for 25K, than most off-the-shelf API for 5K.
Not advocating for, nor against the practice. That's a financial decision for each to make.
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Is that how HPL advertises its lubricants? Has it been validated with engine teardown comparison with other off the shelf synthetic oil?
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