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Dealership doesn’t use $15 Qt oil, why would you? That engine will take any 0w20 and not care and you won’t gain no added protection with a 5w20.
2025 Toyota 2.5L Engine Oil Viscosity Update.
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So, just say 'Jason' said so?
I'll tell my co-worker that. He owns one of those vehicles.
I'll tell my co-worker that. He owns one of those vehicles.
CAFE has caused some manufacturers to fail miserably in efforts to squeeze out credits. Warranty engine replacements are expensive for those same manufacturers, who have not come up with solid, efficient designs.
Toyota for one has engineered greater efficiency, while maintaining their stellar reputation for reliability. They are slow walking the transition towards 0W8.
Of course there are examples that show otherwise. Tundra. The greatness of Ford's Maverick Hybrid.
But quality of thinner oils and associated engine designs should change the thinking. Evolve.
I once used Castrol 0W20 Professional because VW 507 meant enhanced piston ring cleanliness per ACEA spider graph.
Viscosity selection must be well thought out, but I always consider oil quality and oil qualities first.
Toyota for one has engineered greater efficiency, while maintaining their stellar reputation for reliability. They are slow walking the transition towards 0W8.
Of course there are examples that show otherwise. Tundra. The greatness of Ford's Maverick Hybrid.
But quality of thinner oils and associated engine designs should change the thinking. Evolve.
I once used Castrol 0W20 Professional because VW 507 meant enhanced piston ring cleanliness per ACEA spider graph.
Viscosity selection must be well thought out, but I always consider oil quality and oil qualities first.
It is in the manual about using alternate oils for hard use, towing etc. but never states which oils… so you never got anything in writing? That sucks because I thought you had something. You should ask for that documentation, or at least get a bulletin release number for reference
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Pz platinum is a GTL base Mobil 1 isn’t both great oils. Toyota oil is rebottled Mobil 1
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They have different codes, they are not the same engine. Stop spreading misinformation.
Yeah, initially mobil1 0w-16 had a lot of PAO, but latest SDS does not show it anymore. So seems like mobil1 0w-16 is no special anymore
If so it’s very likely nothing any of us or an engine would be able to discern.
The information is essentially correct. If you look at my posts and threads you will see the foundation.
Stop/Start factors, engine size, and compression ratios of 13:1 vs 14:1 are the minimal differences.
Toyota specs 0W8 and 0W16 across a broad spectrum of A25A and M20A engines, for model year 2025 (and even several years earlier!).
The big point is that often, hybridized engines (FXS) spec the thicker of the two.
Siennas can have alarming fuel dilution.
I stay informed on all this as a delivery driver subcontractor who has put 150k miles each on a 2019 Lexus UX 250h and a 2022 Corolla Cross. I post today with ~ 63k miles on a 2024 Corolla Cross Hybrid.
It is not misinformation I am posting. It is accurate and updated information.
This board has a very strong propensity for preferring thicker allowable oils, creating a safe cushion and driver confidence. My counterpoints threaten no one, and only offer more thorough oil knowledge.
Have a look at my threads if you wish to acquire broader information, friend.
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Right, but aftermarket extended warranties are mostly a cash grab, good-luck-getting-them-to-pay-anything setup. They are the payday lenders of the “insurance” industry, to me.
I’d expect them to give anyone the runaround for anything and everything, oil-related or not.
I’d be tempted to try M1 ESP 0w20 if i were in your shoes.
It is always best to purchase a solid vehicle and have a smart, consistent maintenance plan, so as to never have a warranty claim.
100% agree. Also no consumer protection like you get with a factory warranty.
I would assume all Toyota Field reps. are not all the same. Some may not want to take the time or have the time to look up the fine print. This also is why using thicker oils is not posted on giant highway billboards all over the country. In order to meet the government fuel milage specs their cars need to use the thinner oils. If the overall fuel milage averages go down because all the customers figured out using 5w-30 is an ok thing with Toyota warranty, those nationwide fuel milage averages would go down for Toyota and our tree huggers in Washington would start putting fines on Toyota, that they would have to pay if they want to continue selling cars in the USA. You know, going back to riding horses for transportation does have some benefits. But then our government would make us start feeding some low gas (fart) emissions food or something. Not to mention the waste clean-up!
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It's a family of engines, doesn't mean all members are exactly the same. They all have different codes
Again, see if you can secure that document or get a bulletin number off of the document. Im guessing he just told you what you wanted to hear...
I very clearly stated the respective engine codes in the first. And am being specific about oil grade applications, and real world, testing-data basis. That is hardly "misinformation".
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I am guessing there is no document, this was all done by telephone. He possibly, as you said, wanted to shut me up, and it worked. I am not going to poke the bear and ask him to produce that document and print it out for me. As you are insinuating, it probably doesn't exist.
Yeah but Im guessing you're under the same thought as I and many others, it says in the manual that we can use other viscosity - but it stops there. No guidance from toyota at all on this... Have you tried the district service rep or corporate?
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