2025 so far EV sales up 28%
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Im pretty sure third parties can come up with that by getting their hands on the registration databases but you have to pay money to get this work goodcarbadcar seems to be able to provide this with a subscription.
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Thats pretty much how I read it went down.
Another reason tesla was excluded for external funding was they weren't going to comply with credit card readers and screens in the chargers like the other networks.
Once a person experiences the tesla integration stepping back to the third party stuff seems positively archaic.
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That is only recent funding. Since Ford, GM, and others converted to Tesla's NACS, and Tesla has started adding CCS to Supercharger sites, Tesla qualifies for government largesse. But Tesla did not get any help building the Supercharger network prior to Ford's conversion. Back when the Supercharger was perceived to be a single-make charging system. Which is what I said in the first place.
"920 volts" was rightly ruled to be government picking winners and losers. "920 volts! Thats more than 800 volts! It must be better! It must be the future! I'm an egotistical government bureaucrat with the power to shape the future to my will! 920 volts it shall be!" Tune in next week when the requirement will be "1.21 gigawatts".
920 volts minimum. That’s the minimum because that’s what Lucid uses. The NEVI system needs to accommodate all EVs - Lucid included. Most every modern, non-Tesla charger is 1,000 volts anyway, so nothing changed by making 920 volts the minimum.
Tesla Superchargers max out around 500 volts. Nowhere near the needs of modern 800 volt class EVs.
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Funny back to the future reference. Oddly enough it was supposed to be pronounced gigawatt but Christopher Lloyd pronounced it "jigawatt" and it stuck
That's the difference between 400V and 800V too. 800V cars are going to be slower on 400V because of the conversion process. The problem is the non Tesla chargers tend to not be as reliable or as maintained either.
Yet somehow Tesla outclasses all competition.
Bean Counter Specmanship: 920 is more than 500 so it must be better!
In California, new EV registrations from non Tesla manufacturers combined have caught up to Tesla. Still complete dominance by Tesla, but It looks like they will continue their advance, and Tesla will have a decreasing share of the market.
By segment? Tesla doesn't even report USA sales. USA sales are grouped together with the rest of the world.
With that said, companies should be and are free to disclose anyway they want. To me, it shows how poorly and at a loss Tesla operates in the USA. Profits come from China.
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Regardless of Elon’s actions that’s exactly what should be happening. There’s many more options on the market now. If it didn’t happen, they’d all be flops.
Yet that data is available easily from many third parties.
If one is judging companies by lack of transparency they all live in glass houses, but to what extent, is all obfuscation equal?
Is failing to publish but available, the same level as intentional obfuscation by choice or ineptitude?
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On a per dollar spent for travel time and cost they do.
On paper the higher voltage is always better, but how does that translate to the real world?
Only a few 800Volt cars offer any kind of meaningful trip time reduction, and then only on a 100% 800V network without sharing, and the vast majority of those that do are MUCH more expensive and have much larger batteries.
It makes home charging more costly from a gear perspective as stepping from 240-800 is much harder than 240-400 from a myriad of design parameter not the least being winding ratios, insulation specs, and transformer weight if using a transformer design at all.
It shouldn't affect home charging gear costs. The step up at the A/C level would happen from the onboard charger, not the cable connector itself.
Id say it's mostly the onboard gear, I cant imagine the wall charger isnt going to suffer an increase in cost but maybe not.
Negligible in the losses for the step up most likely, but any of these cars if CCS will level 2 charge off of a standard J1772 connector. There have been cars in the past that required external charging solutions for A/C, but I don't know of any on the market now and surely not 800V ones.
Wherever it is the step up actually occurs is where the expense will lie.
I'd be curious to scan the forum of 800V vehicle to see if anyone has run a 240-800 efficiency experiment that holds water.
Either way the onboard charger has to make a step up. Unless the process from 240 to 800 generates a lot more heat than 240 to 400, I don't think it's going to matter to owners. The much more efficient process of DC to DC is overshadowed by the fact that it's a lot more expensive to public charge and less convenient than at home. I can't imagine it could be more than a matter of cents extra if any at all to charge something like a Kia EV6 GT vs a Tesla Model Y Performance at home due to the voltage itself.
If a few cents ends up being the diff then I agree who cares. I think the guys with 240 will have it a lot easier.
The 120-400 hop is brutal. I wonder what the 120-800 is like comparatively which is what tons of people will be stuck with and have to make work in the cold.
People barely seem to care about efficiency so I doubt it will make a difference to most, but it will be interesting to see the number come in as it all adds up.
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