2025 so far EV sales up 28%

[alarmguy]

We've both told him that about half a dozen times over a variety of threads.

And as I said the same amount of times is third parties have to calculate Tesla USA sales fur no reason other than they don’t release them. Why do they remove them before releasing?

I also stated it is almost alone among automakers not reporting them. Why is that do you think to not disclose when they report sales to their shareholders? Shareholders (and the industry) have to rely on third parties.

Not sure why the resistance from you and another to acknowledge this fact.
It’s factual information but you keep spinning it and like me about half a dozen times I told you about this unusual practice in the industry.

 

[UncleDave]

And as I said the same amount of times is third parties have to calculate Tesla USA sales fur no reason other than they don’t release them. Why do they remove them before releasing?

I also stated it is almost alone among automakers not reporting them. Why is that do you think to not disclose when they report sales to their shareholders? Shareholders (and the industry) have to rely on third parties.

Not sure why the resistance from you and another to acknowledge this fact.
It’s factual information but you keep spinning it and like me about half a dozen times I told you about this unusual practice in the industry.

Nobody is failing to acknowledge what and how they report.
Tesla does not report any regions individual sales.
You have the acknowledgment you feel you've been denied.

What most fail to do is care. Wall street doesn't care. The corporate governing bodies don't care, their auditors don't care.
Almost no one but you cares, why?
Because you can get that data that so enrages you from multiple sources very easily, something you fail to acknowledge.

You are selectively OK with GM failing to split their books and report on their financial performance in the sector at all, but enraged to have Tesla geo numbers held from you by them, even though you can get them easily.

If you do not hold worse behavior in equal contempt then one can only assume you're just a hater, and thats ok plenty are, but don't try to disguise it behind logic just say you're a hater.

 

[alarmguy]

Nobody is failing to acknowledge what and how they report.
Tesla does not report any regions individual sales.
You have the acknowledgment you so feel you've been denied.

What most fail to do is care.
Almost no one but you cares, why?
Because you can get that data that so enrages you from multiple sources very easily something you fail to acknowledge

You are selectively OK with GM failing to split their books and report on ether performance in the sector at all, but enraged to have geo numbers held from you even though you can get them easily.

If you do not hold worse behavior in equal contempt then one can only assume you're just a hater, and thats ok plenty are but dont try to disguise it behind logic.

Your jaded attacks and assumptions are sad and you are a person not worthy for me to have civil conversation of which you do not seem capable of.

 

[UncleDave]

Your attacks and assumptions are sad and you are a person not worthy of conversation.

You've said that to a few people here when a conversation didn't go your way.

 

[dogememe]

If a few cents ends up being the diff then I agree who cares. I think the guys with 240 will have it a lot easier.

The 120-400 hop is brutal. I wonder what the 120-800 is like comparatively which is what tons of people will be stuck with and have to make work in the cold.

People barely seem to care about efficiency so I doubt it will make a difference to most, but it will be interesting to see the number come in as it all adds up.

I don't really get what you are saying about "120-400 being brutal" Level 1 charging is all I've had for years across multiple EVs. And now we have two EVs in the household and even then it's OK... although the other EV driver has free L2 charging at all three of his work locations so mainly I'm the one charging at home.

Most days, I just drive a few miles to work and back, and I catch back up to 80% every night no problem. If I go out of town, it can take me several days to get back up to 80%, especially since I have my home charging schedule set to only charge between midnight and 3PM which is when power is at its cheapest (and it's still not cheap, I hate PG&E, but that's a different discussion).

I've had my Tesla for 2 months now and I've used a Supercharger exactly ONCE on a day I'd driven pretty far... I didn't need to, but it costs about the same as charging at home, and we wanted to check out a park that was across the street from the Supercharger, so why not?

I don't think it would really matter if we had 800V-class EVs instead of 400V-class EVs... The efficiency difference between AC120V to DC 400V or 800V is really negligible and the cost difference in terms of onboard charging modules is likely minimal, especially at scale. In fact, the cost difference in those components can probably be offset by thinner high voltage cables between the battery and motor(s) so it could even end up cheaper to build an 800V-class EV than a 400V-class EV? I don't know enough about it but that's just an assuption.

 

[JeffKeryk]

From Google AI:
Tesla doesn't release sales figures by region primarily due to competitive strategy and a desire to maintain a consistent public image. Breaking down sales by region could reveal vulnerabilities to specific markets and provide competitors with valuable insights into their sales strategies. Additionally, Tesla may prefer to present a global view of their performance, rather than focusing on regional fluctuations.

From me:
If Tesla is trying to hide sales figures by region, they are fighting a losing battle. The numbers are out there.

Extra credit:
Every car manufacturer presents sales data differently; generally to present a favorable position. Market staticians provide more accurate data because that's what they do.

 

[UncleDave]

I don't really get what you are saying about "120-400 being brutal" Level 1 charging is all I've had for years across multiple EVs. And now we have two EVs in the household and even then it's OK... although the other EV driver has free L2 charging at all three of his work locations so mainly I'm the one charging at home.

Most days, I just drive a few miles to work and back, and I catch back up to 80% every night no problem. If I go out of town, it can take me several days to get back up to 80%, especially since I have my home charging schedule set to only charge between midnight and 3PM which is when power is at its cheapest (and it's still not cheap, I hate PG&E, but that's a different discussion).

I've had my Tesla for 2 months now and I've used a Supercharger exactly ONCE on a day I'd driven pretty far... I didn't need to, but it costs about the same as charging at home, so I was like, why not at least make sure it works!

I don't think it would really matter if we had 800V-class EVs instead of 400V-class EVs... The efficiency difference between AC120V to DC 400V or 800V is really negligible and the cost difference in terms of onboard charging modules is likely minimal, especially at scale. In fact, the cost difference in those components can probably be offset by thinner high voltage cables between the battery and motor(s) so it could even end up cheaper to build an 800V-class EV than a 400V-class EV? I don't know enough about it but that's just an assuption.

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What I mean by "brutal" is that measured losses in level 1 charging from 120-400 seem to range from about 17 to as much as 25%.

Losses for 240 seem to land in the 10% range.

On the jump from 120 to 800 I suspect to do this well with a high quality ripple free or very low ripple charge its quite a bit more expensive and heavy.