An issue that was blown hugely out of proportion. Very few vehicles were affected by that issue...Disagree - skyactiv cylinder head issues.
An issue that was blown hugely out of proportion. Very few vehicles were affected by that issue...Disagree - skyactiv cylinder head issues.
I would like to see some real-world mileage on the PHEV version. We are considering going down to 1 car, as I've been riding the train to work when I go to the office once a week and it's not so bad. I'm not willing to have my wife's Outlander be our only car because it's a little tight for this 6'7" guy, and my '10 Navigator is not reliable enough to be that vehicle. There are 5 of these CX-90 PHEV version on the lot at the local Mazda dealer at pretty much the lowest spec/price you can build one on the Mazda website, around $48K. I'm impressed they ordered so many low-spec ones. Still $48K is a lot of money, but that said, now that we're pretty far out from town, we are spending a LOT of money on gas.
I see the I-6 versions are cheaper by about $4K but not willing to consider one. We would definitely use the "plug" of the PHEV version to maximize our EV only range. I would like a little more EV only range ideally but 26 miles is enough to get us to restuarants or shopping and back. 26 miles would be 2 gallons of gas in my Navigator.
We want something with 3 rows. We rented and liked a Siena hybrid out in CA in March, but they are unobtainium new at the local Toyota dealers. You can get used hybrid Siennas at Avis car sales but not sure if my wife would be open to that.
We would be open to an EV but there really aren't any 3 row anything that's affordable. $48K is only marginally affordable if we can cut our gas bills significantly. 75-80K for a Rivian, we're not open to that.
Indeed. My point is, Mazda wasted time and money and gave us an inferior product instead of just dropping a zf8 in it.Right, but on a per-model basis the Miata is the only thing Mazda makes that is quick. Anybody who believes "performance from the ground up" for the CX90 or "zoom-zoom" for their other models is falling for the marketing.
Too expensive for CX-90. They wouldn’t be able to stay in this price bracket.Indeed. My point is, Mazda wasted time and money and gave us an inferior product instead of just dropping a zf8 in it.
Wild. Didn't seem to push the Dodge Durango V6 over budget. Or the V6 Dodge Charger. Or the BMW X3. Or a host of others. Yet inventing and tooling up to design an entirely new transmission was somehow cheaper? HmmmmmToo expensive for CX-90. They wouldn’t be able to stay in this price bracket.
Indeed. My point is, Mazda wasted time and money and gave us an inferior product instead of just dropping a zf8 in it.
Mazda didn't want to use a torque converter, so they made the CX-90 into a "mild hybrid" for the inline 6's, which was probably a more costly route to take.Too expensive for CX-90. They wouldn’t be able to stay in this price bracket.
Yup, and ZF offered that, too...and it performs way better. The CX90 is just a total dog down low.Mazda didn't want to use a torque converter, so they made the CX-90 into a "mild hybrid" for the inline 6's, which was probably a more costly route to take.
ZF9 is not the same as ZF8. It is a different market; transmission is made for different market.Mazda didn't want to use a torque converter, so they made the CX-90 into a "mild hybrid" for the inline 6's, which was probably a more costly route to take.
The Honda Pilot/Passport/Ridgeline has a ZF9 for this price bracket, so cost isn't an issue.
FCA makes ZF under license, some ZF8 versions. X3 is a smaller vehicle. CX-90 plays in X5 size category. They are probably going their route to use various variants in other vehicles.Wild. Didn't seem to push the Dodge Durango V6 over budget. Or the V6 Dodge Charger. Or the BMW X3. Or a host of others. Yet inventing and tooling up to design an entirely new transmission was somehow cheaper? Hmmmmm
Yes. But the vehicle is a total miss anyway. Too small, lazy, etc.Yup, and ZF offered that, too...and it performs way better. The CX90 is just a total dog down low.
8-Speed Plug-In Hybrid Transmission
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Yes, and BMW put a ZF in the X5 and the results are stunning. Look how it launches compared to the Mazda.FCA makes ZF under license, some ZF8 versions. X3 is a smaller vehicle. CX-90 plays in X5 size category. They are probably going their route to use various variants in other vehicles.
Yes, and BMW put a ZF in the X5 and the results are stunning. Look how it launches compared to the Mazda.
Now compare it to the roll:
It's not power the Mazda lacks. It's a gearbox.
They have always been incredibly trash off the line because Mazda skews things so hard toward efficiency around town and hasn't figured out how to do both that and performance. ZF8 could have given it both.
Yes, and BMW put a ZF in the X5 and the results are stunning. Look how it launches compared to the Mazda.
Now compare it to the roll:
It's not power the Mazda lacks. It's a gearbox.
They have always been incredibly trash off the line because Mazda skews things so hard toward efficiency around town and hasn't figured out how to do both that and performance. ZF8 could have given it both.
Check out the roll race. The Mazda did fine. It's the transmission issue with launch. Always has been with Mazda.There is more to it than just transmission. B58 is an extremely underrated engine, and BMW is an expert in transferring hp to wheels. They always show higher WHP than others, regardless of crank numbers.
CX-90 is a very interesting car. People who want something like BMW but cannot afford it. The problem is that it is drastically smaller than the price competition, like the VW Atlas, Toyota Grand Highlander, and Honda Pilot, and those cars are nice places to be, too, but drastically more practical.
Yeah I saw all video. But, all are cranking more power than BMW. I mean, nothing beats ZF8. There isn’t transmission in last 12 years that is on par ZF8, performance and reliability wise. And BMW knows how to transfer hp.Check out the roll race. The Mazda did fine. It's the transmission issue with launch. Always has been with Mazda.