- Jul 5, 2020
- Sioux City
That sounds right. I think 5W30 EP is about the same or close to 30% as well.
We have a few recent posts about the pour point on AFE changing, so might be worth a read if anyone as interested in it.
Mobil 1 0W30 Advanced Fuel Economy SP/GF-6A Cold PerformanceMobil 1 AFE 0W30 (SN/GF-5) used to have an impressive MRV of 13250 @ -40C and a pour point of -50C, so I bought some, not realizing I got the newer SP/GF-6A formula. I was very surprised to find out that the new version has a pour point of only -42C (-39C according to the MSDS) and no longer...bobistheoilguy.com
Mobil 1 AFE 0W-30; Have cold weather specs been downgraded?I bought three jugs of this oil on sale a couple of years ago to use in my wife's Honda Accord. My wife doesn't have access to an electrical outlet at her work's parking lot, so no use of the block heater. On -30 deg C and colder days I really liked the low MRV of 13,250, and pour point of -50...bobistheoilguy.com
I was not aware there was a change in formulation, thank you! It still has all the same ratings and seems to be a good oil. I haven’t looked too far into 5w30’s, but I would still wager to bet it (M1 0w30) outperforms the majority of 5w30’s that is commonly available on the shelves.
Me personally? The staff at my local dealer are a bunch of knuckleheads. They leave the car a mess, strip drain bolts, and overtighten oil filters. My Cruze was not backspec'd to 0W20 like the 18s and 19s are. I just happened to look up the part number on my invoice and it said 0W20. Back in it had to go and get drained and refilled. I brought my car for the initial few oil changes and then stopped, even though it has "free lube for life". After about 3 or 4 my drain bolt was already destroyed. Not that replacing it is some big expenditure, but I know they aren't taking care with my car. Plus an oil change at my dealer can take an hour or more because they are always behind at the last appointment is a 3:30PM. At that point, screw it.
Plus they like to stick a PF64 on my car, where it calls out for a UPF64R for the 16.5's and 17s with the higher bypass rating. The 18 and 19s that switched to 0W20 do not. There is no aftermarket filter that meets that spec except the UPF64R as fair as I know. Fram and Wix come close, but do not. Even with the tech bulletin in hand they won't do a UPF64R. I'd imagine it's one more part to stock, and its not a cheap filter they order in quantity.
The local Valvoline pays more than the chain of dealerships in my area pays lube technicians. I know that for a fact which also makes me not want much to do with them. Plus an oil change is dead simple on both the cars I care for. I get under and check CVs, brakes, subframe condition, bushings, and whatever else I can see.
I'll take the time to do it myself and not hope didn't someone double gasketed me, grabbed the wrong oil gun, installed the wrong filter, cranked my drain bolt to 200ft lbs, or sat their oily ass in my clean seats. I know it's done right with the exact oil I want, and if I wanna let it drain for half an hour I can.
I think back to this thread I posted a few years ago - https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/why-i-hate-dealer-changes-how-about-you.256257
I completely agree that the majority of dealers are full of idiots that don’t care. I’ve worked at a couple Toyota dealers and a very meticulous independent shop. I’ve seen some people do some stuff that doesn’t even make sense to non-car people. I have confronted many techs about their questionable actions, most of the time they brush it off, especially when I was in my 20’s and they were way older. Then they wonder why certain “common” issues come up and it can be directly related to their own practices. I’ve seen this more with domestic dealers hearing from friends that work at those place than the Toyota dealers I worked for. The only person I trust do things I can’t in my driveway is a guy I have known for years and is more anal than me. He works at a shop 1hr away and is progressing to own the shop.
All of my local dealers are exactly as you describe. It’s disheartening to see, but it’s the way it is now in many places. Peoples lack of give sh!t is getting more annoying than ever.