+1 on changing out factory oil too early. If you don't understand why, keep reading up on the topic. Ed
2015 2.5L Camry Oil Consumption Question
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I'm pretty sure that by almost 5k miles the low tension rings are have seated they way they did and there is nothing else that could seat them any further.
This isn't a diesel engine or even the older style gasser with full tension rings.
This isn't a diesel engine or even the older style gasser with full tension rings.
Would a Blackstone Oil Analysis report be of any help in figuring out what is going on with the oil? If so, how exactly?
Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Would a Blackstone Oil Analysis report be of any help in figuring out what is going on with the oil? If so, how exactly?
They will gladly take your money and tell you what people are already saying in this thread.
Would a Blackstone Oil Analysis report be of any help in figuring out what is going on with the oil? If so, how exactly?
They will gladly take your money and tell you what people are already saying in this thread.
As mentioned over and over......some new engines will burn a quart or two of oil as they break in. The dealer is not about to call in a Toyota engineer because you used one quart during the first 5K or so. Your engine comes with Toyota Genuine Motor Oil 0W20 synthetic from the factory. Mobil makes the oil to Toyota's specifications, it is not Mobil 1.
The 2.5l oil change interval is 10,000 miles under most conditions. Add a quart and keep track of it. You have no case to build on so far.
The 2.5l oil change interval is 10,000 miles under most conditions. Add a quart and keep track of it. You have no case to build on so far.
Okay, got it.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand finally...if after the next OC you still experience a drop in oil level, you can switch to 5w-30 synthetic....it may be just what your engine needs.
Did you check the oil when you first got the car?
Maybe it was a little low from the factory.
I would give it a few more oil changes and see if it settles down.
Remember,you still havve a warranty so just check the oil regularly and enjoy your new car.
I never had a new car use any oil but it does happen.
A qt in 4000 miles is really not bad but I see your side too.
I bet it will straighten out,give it time and keep an eye on it.
Maybe it was a little low from the factory.
I would give it a few more oil changes and see if it settles down.
Remember,you still havve a warranty so just check the oil regularly and enjoy your new car.
I never had a new car use any oil but it does happen.
A qt in 4000 miles is really not bad but I see your side too.
I bet it will straighten out,give it time and keep an eye on it.
I would change the original oil asap and use the same Toyota branded oil and filter and do it again at 10k. How much was the new car, $25000? Get the break in particles out as much as possible. I have bought very few new cars and am about your age, maybe a little more, the last one was an 07 Toyota. I changed the oil at about 300 mi, 1500, 3000 a couple times, now use Mobil 0w-30 for 5000 mi changes with a good filter. If I used a bypass filter or the Trasko I would maybe go to 8000. I am thinking about the Trasko but not sure about the real world flow.
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
lol relax man, it'll be fine.
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
lol relax man, it'll be fine.
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Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
lol relax man, it'll be fine.
+++ If your car "used" a quart on the factory fill in 4,000+ miles I doubt you'll use more than that for the next 1200 miles until they check it, especially after doing an oil change and your engine is more broken in now. Did you check on the factory fill before the 4,000 miles or was that the first time? As mentioned previously new engines tend to use some oil initially then level off on the oil usage.
Whimsey
Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
lol relax man, it'll be fine.
+++ If your car "used" a quart on the factory fill in 4,000+ miles I doubt you'll use more than that for the next 1200 miles until they check it, especially after doing an oil change and your engine is more broken in now. Did you check on the factory fill before the 4,000 miles or was that the first time? As mentioned previously new engines tend to use some oil initially then level off on the oil usage.
Whimsey
Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
If it burned a quart in the first 4,000 miles or so, you should be very safe on your 1,200 mile trip. If you drive a lot of miles before you start your trip, you can have the dealer check the oil and reseal the dipstick.
Unfortunately, that is the way oil consumption tests work because otherwise (surprise!) owners will drain or extract oil in an effort to show excessive consumption and get a new engine.
Ultimately though, I think this exercise will not be useful. Toyota and other manufacturers all consider a quart/4,000 miles very acceptable; most will do nothing unless it gets to the quart/1,000 mile range. And cars do tend to use more oil during break-in, so this may very well improve. Even if it doesn't get better, a quart per 4,000 miles is hardly a major problem - just keep an eye on it and top-off as needed. As long as you do this, there's absolutely no reliability issue.
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
If it burned a quart in the first 4,000 miles or so, you should be very safe on your 1,200 mile trip. If you drive a lot of miles before you start your trip, you can have the dealer check the oil and reseal the dipstick.
Unfortunately, that is the way oil consumption tests work because otherwise (surprise!) owners will drain or extract oil in an effort to show excessive consumption and get a new engine.
Ultimately though, I think this exercise will not be useful. Toyota and other manufacturers all consider a quart/4,000 miles very acceptable; most will do nothing unless it gets to the quart/1,000 mile range. And cars do tend to use more oil during break-in, so this may very well improve. Even if it doesn't get better, a quart per 4,000 miles is hardly a major problem - just keep an eye on it and top-off as needed. As long as you do this, there's absolutely no reliability issue.
Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
My diagnosis is.....Your life is too easy, you need more stress. You are working overtime, trying to find something to worry about. Consider that the average American doesn't even know how to find his/her car's dipstick.
Just so you have a bit more to worry about, check and make certain that they do NOT overfill the thing when they change the oil. Dealer do this sort of thing, to get worry warts to leave them alone.
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
My diagnosis is.....Your life is too easy, you need more stress. You are working overtime, trying to find something to worry about. Consider that the average American doesn't even know how to find his/her car's dipstick.
Just so you have a bit more to worry about, check and make certain that they do NOT overfill the thing when they change the oil. Dealer do this sort of thing, to get worry warts to leave them alone.
Wayne, I feel bad for you two! You are stressing out way too much over this. But I get it; you spent a lot of money and you want it right. Quite honestly, that's one of the issue for me when I buy a brand new car... it HAS to be perfect! I'm much more willing to tolerate small issues with a used car for less $$$. Add to that the thought it may get worse and strand me somewhere! Yikes! But you can tell Anna she doesn't need to feel unsafe in this car for this issue. A car burning a quart of oil in 4000 miles isn't a dependability problem.
My experience with cars is they are unique beasts - each one has quirks. I can't ever say I've owned a perfect car and I've had quite a few new ones. You've gone to the extreme of having a sealed test done and frankly I'm amazed the dealer would do that for such a low rate of consumption. We've heard lots of stories on this site where much higher consumption is pooh poohed by the dealers as being "normal" (again, each car is a unique beast). Drive with confidence on your trip, the oil light will not come on.
It may get better over time or it may not. If the car performs well, I honestly wouldn't worry about it. I drove a Thunderbird for 120k miles consuming a quart every 1000 miles. My son drives the car today with 190K on it and the motor (4.6 V8 with the crummy valve guides) runs flawlessly. At that consumption rate, I really needed to watch the level but it didn't hurt anything.
My experience with cars is they are unique beasts - each one has quirks. I can't ever say I've owned a perfect car and I've had quite a few new ones. You've gone to the extreme of having a sealed test done and frankly I'm amazed the dealer would do that for such a low rate of consumption. We've heard lots of stories on this site where much higher consumption is pooh poohed by the dealers as being "normal" (again, each car is a unique beast). Drive with confidence on your trip, the oil light will not come on.
It may get better over time or it may not. If the car performs well, I honestly wouldn't worry about it. I drove a Thunderbird for 120k miles consuming a quart every 1000 miles. My son drives the car today with 190K on it and the motor (4.6 V8 with the crummy valve guides) runs flawlessly. At that consumption rate, I really needed to watch the level but it didn't hurt anything.
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
Did you check the oil when you first got the car?
Maybe it was a little low from the factory.
Bingo! I wouldn't diagnose that it was burning oil until I knew for certain how much motor oil was installed at the factory. In this case I would just dump out factory fill and replace in kind with the correct qty listed in owner's manual and then methodically document any changes from there with respect to decline in oil level.
If this was done already then I apologize and agree - I would not be happy either. New Toyotas should not consume oil.
Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
Actually, I would let it blow up under warranty assuming there is a consumption issue. You'd get a new motor despite it being a hassle.
No reason to be concerned about stranding your wife roadside. Bring a phone and call Toyota roadside assistance. Have them tow it to nearest dealer and demand a free loaner car while you wait for diagnosis/repair. Continue about your trip as normal with the loaner car and don't return it until your car is fixed.
Did you check the oil when you first got the car?
Maybe it was a little low from the factory.
Bingo! I wouldn't diagnose that it was burning oil until I knew for certain how much motor oil was installed at the factory. In this case I would just dump out factory fill and replace in kind with the correct qty listed in owner's manual and then methodically document any changes from there with respect to decline in oil level.
If this was done already then I apologize and agree - I would not be happy either. New Toyotas should not consume oil.
Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
Update: Next Tuesday the Toyota Dealership will change my oil, and put seals on the drain plug, oil cap, and dipstick. I am not to break the seals. I'll drive about 1,200 miles, and they will check the consumption. This documents the problem just in case it becomes a problem down the road. I'm told to not to break the seals even if it results in the engine blowing up. This raises a moral and ethical problem in that they are putting their test above our safety. Next week I'll be driving to a very rural area of Arkansas with Anna. Just suppose the oil light comes on, and I have to choose between stranding us, leaving Anna alone, and walking off to find help or getting the quart of oil out of the trunk and continuing the drive. While this is a very, very unlikely event, I will put that quart of oil in the engine. For that matter, I wouldn't willingly strand us on the interstate.
Actually, I would let it blow up under warranty assuming there is a consumption issue. You'd get a new motor despite it being a hassle.
No reason to be concerned about stranding your wife roadside. Bring a phone and call Toyota roadside assistance. Have them tow it to nearest dealer and demand a free loaner car while you wait for diagnosis/repair. Continue about your trip as normal with the loaner car and don't return it until your car is fixed.
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Haven't noticed any consumption in my dad's 2012 Camry LE which has the same drivetrain. It went close to 10k before it's first oil change. Car now has 56k on it.
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