2015 2.5L Camry Oil Consumption Question

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: Noey
Yes, Wayne, you talk too much, but you don't listen. What does toyota recommend? M1? Nope.

First, new cars use more oil as the engine sets in, esp. the rings. That'll take longer with M1 or any syn.

Drain it and use what Toyota recommends, and see if the consumption drops off.
Syn oils don't increase break in time . How many engines come with syn oil as factory fill.

 

[wemay]

I would take it in and have it looked at.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: wemay
I would take it in and have it looked at.


LOL, what exactly the dealer people are going to look at beside rolling their eyes?

 

[WayneandAnna]

1. The Camry still has the original oil; it hasn't hit the 5,000 mile mark yet. 2. Again, the Toyota dealership told the vehicle has Mobil 1 0W20 in it, and that was what they wanted me to use. Toyota told me to use that oil! 3. I'm not a "car" guy. I've always been quick with maintenance, checked all my fluids regularly, fixed small problems so they didn't become large problems, and never had a major vehicle problem. 4. I'm out of my league with a 4 Cyl engine using synthetic oil, so I figured I'd ask you guys for help. 5. My other vehicle is a 2001 F150 with 115,000 miles is perfect condition and no oil usage.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: wemay
I would take it in and have it looked at.


LOL, what exactly the dealer people are going to look at beside rolling their eyes?


I understand your point and i'm not saying something is amiss. What i am saying is that if you think there is an issue, get your concerns addressed on paper with the dealership because if there is an issue, it gives the customer a paper trail to fall back on.

 

[demarpaint]

Other than a complete waste of your time bringing it in I see no upside. They might try and pacify you, then say cars use oil. Then the $60,000 question, how much oil do they use? It depends. If you were using a qt/1,000 miles they'll tell you that's normal, a qt. every 750 miles, and they'll probably tell you that's normal too.

Let the engine log about 10,000 miles and see if the consumption changes, either way you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Nate1979]

I would suggest to keep watching it and keep it topped off regularly. Change the oil with M1 0w-20 and see if it continues to consume. If so take it in.

 

[KrisZ]

If it's not 1 qt per 1000 miles, Toyota will say it's normal and they will probably not waste engineer’s time for this.

As other's said already, I would relax as it is too early in this engine's life to start jumping to conclusions. I would mention this to the dealer so that they have it on the record and monitor the consumption for the next few OCIs.

 

[Leo99]

That sounds abnormal for a brand new Toyota. I'd bring it in and have it checked and documented.

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Other than a complete waste of your time bringing it in I see no upside. They might try and pacify you, then say cars use oil. Then the $60,000 question, how much oil do they use? It depends. If you were using a qt/1,000 miles they'll tell you that's normal, a qt. every 750 miles, and they'll probably tell you that's normal too.


exactly, didn't they increase the "normal" oil use to 1qt/600 miles with the 0W20 oils?

 

[The Critic]

Of all the vehicles I service, the ones calling for 0W20 (except for hybrids) tend to have some level of consumption that seems to increase significantly as they age.

As for why, I have no idea. But I would be prepared to check the oil and continue to top-off as needed. There isn't much that the dealer can do.

 

[SatinSilver]

Was this the first time you checked the oil level? It could have been a little low from the factory. Here is a thread about the differences between TGMO and M1:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2463028/1

Also Toyota is not the dealership.

 

[WayneandAnna]

The Toyota dealership told me they use a 1,200 mile test. If the vehicle uses more than one quart in 1,200 miles, Toyota will fix it. But that is over 8 quarts in 10,000 miles. Wow. But, the Toyota dealership doesn't use that test on a brand new vehicle. They pay more attention to a new vehicle or maybe just to a new vehicle owner.

 

[00Max00]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Of all the vehicles I service, the ones calling for 0W20 (except for hybrids) tend to have some level of consumption that seems to increase significantly as they age.

As for why, I have no idea. But I would be prepared to check the oil and continue to top-off as needed. There isn't much that the dealer can do.


Don't you think xW20 is too thin for any vehicle? It's like water in summer. I would put xW30 in any vehicle calling for xW20. Gas is cheap, cars are not.

 

[Danno]

Same thing with my brother's 2010 Camry - used a quart between changes, uses next to nothing after 60,000 miles.
Use the manual mode and reving the engine up and use engine compression to slow the car down (within reason) - helps to get the rings seated.

 

[bigt61]

It sounds like it's still on the factory fill and it's a new car with a total of 4178 miles. The info flows slow on this thread. If this is the case, just top it off and change by the OLM. When you do that first oil change, track the consumption then. I don't think it's unusual for a new car breaking in to use a little oil from the FF.

 

[threeputtpar]

It could be as simple as the oil control rings have not seated in properly yet, and they are leaving a thicker than designed film of oil on the cylinder wall that is burning off during the combustion process.

Take the car out for a long enough drive to get the oil (not just the coolant) up to temp and then put the shifter in 2nd or 3rd gear and accelerate up towards the redline and then let off and coast under engine braking until around 1500 rpms. Do this about 8-10 times and that should help to seat the rings.

 

[cptbarkey]

Originally Posted By: WayneandAnna
The Toyota dealership told me they use a 1,200 mile test. If the vehicle uses more than one quart in 1,200 miles, Toyota will fix it. But that is over 8 quarts in 10,000 miles. Wow. But, the Toyota dealership doesn't use that test on a brand new vehicle. They pay more attention to a new vehicle or maybe just to a new vehicle owner.


the 1 quart per 1000 miles is actually acceptable to Subaru (and other brands) which states in the manual. You are upset and mad over something that is out of your control. I would focus your buyers remorse on more important things in life and enjoy your Toyota.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Other than a complete waste of your time bringing it in I see no upside. They might try and pacify you, then say cars use oil. Then the $60,000 question, how much oil do they use? It depends. If you were using a qt/1,000 miles they'll tell you that's normal, a qt. every 750 miles, and they'll probably tell you that's normal too.


exactly, didn't they increase the "normal" oil use to 1qt/600 miles with the 0W20 oils?


I think so. I heard a service writer at a Honda dealer I worked at tell a customer a qt./500 miles was normal. They ask first how much oil you're using and base it on that. LOL If it ain't leaking or smoking odds are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry strong they will do nothing!

 

[Falken]

I wouldn't put up with that level of consumption.

I would do two "off book" PYB 5W20 short oil changes and get on that throttle to try to keep the cylinder hatching from burnishing.

I don't offer the best advice, but I DID graduate from Auto Mech.

It is only something I'd AT LEAST TRY.

Toyota won't help you with that level of consumption, and it isn't an amount I'd be happy with.

But, like poopers, everyone on BITOG has an opinion how you should "Break In" a new engine... YMMV.

I just think your rings haven't seated yet...