2011 Ford Fiesta 6-Spd Dual-Shift Gearbox!

[Kaboomba]

Originally Posted By: badtlc
The Fusion is assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico.

The DC transmission has gears and clutches like a manual, not an automatic. It is just an electronic gear shifter.


Right-o, old bean.

This new transmission is really just a modular manual transmission with an electronic double-clutch pack and logic to control it.

The technology areas used to create this are well understood.

I would be surprised if there turn out to be more than minor issues with this unit.

 

[Steve S]

I would rather not be one of the people who pay for the privledge of finding out the reliability of the trans.

 

[Pesca]

Originally Posted By: Kaboomba
This new transmission is really just a modular manual transmission with an electronic double-clutch pack and logic to control it.

The technology areas used to create this are well understood.

I would be surprised if there turn out to be more than minor issues with this unit.


So, from what I understand, that is the same technology I got in my car... 15 years ago?
In the 90's, I had what was called a Twingo "Easy": The easy part was the fact that you still got the manual stick but no more left pedal.
The shifting was done by the car with, from what I understood at the time, sensors on the stick and electronic controlled clutch.

Are we talking about the same technology here?

 

[Nick R]

Originally Posted By: Pesca
Originally Posted By: Kaboomba
This new transmission is really just a modular manual transmission with an electronic double-clutch pack and logic to control it.

The technology areas used to create this are well understood.

I would be surprised if there turn out to be more than minor issues with this unit.


So, from what I understand, that is the same technology I got in my car... 15 years ago?
In the 90's, I had what was called a Twingo "Easy": The easy part was the fact that you still got the manual stick but no more left pedal.
The shifting was done by the car with, from what I understood at the time, sensors on the stick and electronic controlled clutch.

Are we talking about the same technology here?


From what I understand, basically yes. It just uses more sensors and connected to the ECM, as well as a system to open/close the clutches and switch between the two.

 

[Kaboomba]

Dual-Clutch: Now, Good Enough for Mercedes-Benz TRUCKS!

http://www.benzinsider.com/2010/07/dual-...rucks-launched/

There must be something to this.

 

[odie]

Just read at EDMUNDS a owner of a FIESTA has had her auto transmission fail . Here it is , http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.efeb29d?displayRecent .

 

[ffracer]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
Don't buy into this phoney manual shifter..its only an automatic that uses a computer to make you THINK you are shifting manually...not to mention the extra cost and complexity involved..after the warranty runs out the car will burn a hole in your pocket...STAY AWAY FROM THESE TYPES OF TRANSMISSIONS!!!!!!

In the Fiesta, get the manual...it is what chosen in 98% of all Fiestas sold in Europe, where it was designed.

There is no substitute for a REAL manual transmission...cheaper to buy, more durable, and cheaper to maintain and fix after the warranty runs out. You've been warned.


Wow. Stop hatin' on automatics. This works the same as a manual, only the computer does the shifting and clutching.


Except it has no eyes, so it is reactive and passive. Other than gridlock, as mentioned, I have never understood the love for automatics in the US. Why? They were invented here? So what. I am a proud American and not everything we do is best.

They do nothing better than a manual and suck the life out of the car, other provide people a way to have to deal with the "chore" of shifting and PAYING attention. They are less efficient, even with a bazillion gears. They should post the EPA MPG numbers with the 0-60 times and 40-60 times. Then it will be obvious.

The basic principle #1 of driving is momentum. i.e. knowing what gear you are in or how much torque you have to the wheels (without transmission slippage) otherwise you are letting a computer guess what to do with no eyes.

This is at least a step in the right direction, but questionable for durability and lubed for life? Who's lifespan?

 

[Trav]

I just looked at Ford.de they are not even offering it in there.Just a 5 manual and a 4spd auto.This has to be a CAFE thing.IMO in 2 yrs this transmission could easily cost more to repair than the car is worth,if you can find someone that can actually even do the repairs properly.

From Ford.de....
Abhängig von der gewählten Motorisierung ist der Ford Fiesta wahlweise mit manuellem 5-Gang-Schaltgetriebe oder 4-Gang-Automatikgetriebe erhältlich.

 

[Scienceman]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: defektes
yuck made in mexico, but i would let others try it out and find all the problems with it before I ever do lol. I dont trust brand new tech.


Fusion is made in Mexico, but is top rated in quality and reliability. Mexico = Better than China for quality.


+1

 

[odie]

Years ago we had several Ford FESTIVAs and they were made in MEXICO . They were very dependable . Still see a few buzzing around . Wonder if this is the same plant where the FESTIVA was produced .

 

[Brons2]

These types of transmissions are not new, they have been used in upmarket European cars for a number of years.

The only new thing about the automated manual in the Fiesta is that it's the first mass-market application of the technology. Considering the US aversion to the manual, I would guess at least 80% of US sold Fiestas will have the dual-clutch transmission. I'm pretty sure Ford has done their homework on it. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one.

Me personally, I'd still rather have the manual just more for sheer driving enjoyment, not out of any dislike for the dual clutch setup. It's a shame that more cars in the US don't offer manuals, because I would get one every time if they did.

My sister has a 2010 Golf TDI with the DSG. I do like the positive shifts of the DSG, I just think it shifts too much at a low speed, it's kind of weird taking off from a stop. But some of that may just be a function of having 6 forward gears and a fairly low revving motor. OTOH, kicking down the gas pedal getting on the freeway is a hoot though! The TDI has TONS of torque even down below 2000 RPM and the DSG does a great job of keeping the torque on full boil until you let off the gas.

 

[Vizzy]

Originally Posted By: odie
Years ago we had several Ford FESTIVAs and they were made in MEXICO . They were very dependable . Still see a few buzzing around . Wonder if this is the same plant where the FESTIVA was produced .



Nope the Festiva is a korean car made in the Daewoo factory branded a Ford..No relation at all to the Fiesta at any time. Fiesta has always been a European designed product from Ford.

 

[CBR.worm]

In theory a DSG or CVT should be much less expensive to repair than a regular auto. I know with Audi and Nissan this has not been the case, but maybe in the future it will be.

I would be inclined to rebuild a DSG myself. A regular auto I would take to a pro.

 

[odie]

Originally Posted By: Vizzy
Originally Posted By: odie
Years ago we had several Ford FESTIVAs and they were made in MEXICO . They were very dependable . Still see a few buzzing around . Wonder if this is the same plant where the FESTIVA was produced .



Nope the Festiva is a korean car made in the Daewoo factory branded a Ford..No relation at all to the Fiesta at any time. Fiesta has always been a European designed product from Ford.
Wrong , the FESTIVA of '88 > '93 was a rebadged (121 MAZDA . 1.3 ltr. engine ) made in MEXICO . Know this for a fact , we had several of them . In '94 became the ASPIRE , which was a rebadged KIA (?) . Still see those roming about . Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Festiva .

 

[ffhdriver]

You should go to a VW/Audi website and read about the electronic (Mechatronic unit) problems with the DSG transmission. It's so bad that VW extended the warranty.