Back to Back 2024 M3 vs 2024 M2 in the Mountains

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One of my Sunday morning rituals is a sunrise drive in the canyons with friends, in this case, Angeles Crest, for those who are familiar.

My friend just received 9 new M cars. He is the largest Turo host in the world, and as a side benefit, I get to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

While I've had a fair amount of seat time in the current G80 M3, from the Autobahn to BMW M Driving School in Thermal to backroads here in SoCal, I had yet to experience the new M2. I have a long history of owning M cars (including my M2 CS) and was a big fan of the last gen M2 Comp and CS. I have already been impressed with the capabilities of the current M3, albeit it's not the most involved machine, and I still find that front end ugly. Also, it's a large car now and back up in weight compared to the last generation.

What I didn't expect yesterday was to walk away, preferring the M3 and rather significantly at that, especially as it was auto and the M2 was 6-spd. Angeles Crest is a high-speed drive, more like the Nurburgring instead of a very technical short course, and the stability and confidence it inspired were truly fantastic. I am a faster driver than my friend but couldn't keep up with him in the M2, at least comfortably. The M3 was extremely stable at speed, turn-in, and braking, while the M2 being shorter, tended to move around more. It felt like BMW didn't spend the time to hone in the dynamics as much as they did in the M3- which could be one of the reasons for the $15k price difference and also to maybe make it feel more "alive."

On that note, both these cars were brand new, so we didn't want to push them too hard. We did set the ideal tire pressures in them at the start; the M3 had Pirelli P Zero's, and the M2 had Yokohama Advan's with BMW's star, interestingly enough- I've never seen a Yokohama on an M car.

Emotionally, I always prefer lighter, smaller, and manual transmissions. However, objectively, the M3's size benefitted it in this type of driving and made it feel lighter because the weight was spread over a greater length. Also, the S58 pulls unrelentingly with the 8-spd ZF, just never-ending acceleration- you hardly know it's boosted. While the manual was a nice gearbox to shift, it didn't feel like it was the right choice for the S58; it would come off/on boost slightly between shifts, and the longer gears made it feel more lethargic. Also, that auto allowed me to be in the zone and focus on nailing the braking zone, hitting the apex, working the weight transfer, and powering out.

It goes against my internal beliefs, but the larger and automatic M3 was more impressive and really seems to be one of the best all-around vehicles you can buy if performance along with usability are important to you. You can commute in it, take a long road trip, fill it up with friends, take the kids to school, and lay down some serious times at the racetrack out of the box. It's really hard to be good at everything, and because of that, it's certainly not the most soulful vehicle, but objectively, it does everything exceptionally well.

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I noticed the 45 day Ohio temporary tags on both cars. Dealers and individuals can print them.
Are these cars going to be plated with California plates? If it has Federal emissions and not California emissions is that legal?
I know VW was making GTI's with different engine codes for California and the states that follow their emissions. Like the 2013 GTI CBFA and the Federal only CCTA. The CBFA has a smog pump and feels slower.
 
A few years ago, my GF and I did a BMW driving school in SoCal.
We were able to drive a few different M cars including 1M, M3, 550i, and X5M.

After seat time in all of them, my impressions matched with OP. I was surprised how much I still enjoyed the M3.
I was certain I'd be sold on the 1M due to it's shorter wheelbase and lighter overall weight, but the M3 just seemed to "fit" the best of all vehicles.
Makes sense why it's still highly rated.
 
I noticed the 45 day Ohio temporary tags on both cars. Dealers and individuals can print them.
Are these cars going to be plated with California plates? If it has Federal emissions and not California emissions is that legal?
I know VW was making GTI's with different engine codes for California and the states that follow their emissions. Like the 2013 GTI CBFA and the Federal only CCTA. The CBFA has a smog pump and feels slower.
I believe these cars have 50-state emissions. They were purchased through a local LA dealer, but the leasing company is in Ohio and gives out the temporary tags. These cars will actually be registered with Montana plates as he has a location there.
 
Sounds like you have a good buddy. :D
I don't know much about BMW really other than considering them to be a "Sports Car" type of vehicle & that was why I stayed away from them since I buy used. LOL
 
I believe these cars have 50-state emissions. They were purchased through a local LA dealer, but the leasing company is in Ohio and gives out the temporary tags. These cars will actually be registered with Montana plates as he has a location there.
He has a Primary residence in Montana? I can remember a few years back that a guy was "helping people " by creating "LLC's" in Montana for a small sum so that mostly California's could bypass paying a hefty license plate fee. Apparently it came to a head at a car show no less. It sounds like a government employee just happened to notice a La Ferrari, Bugatti Veyron, and a McLaren P1 all parked next to each other, when he casually asked "You guys are all from Montana?" Nope just set-up an "LLC". The current M2 is the last BMW with a dct all the others have gone 8 speed ZF. I was looking on BMW Germany and it looks like the M3 isn't even offered with a manual transmission in Europe. In Europe the Manual transmission option is 2k Euros higher than the Auto on the M2. The previous head of M performance said BMW would offer manuals as long as people bought them. Whomever is in charge now apparently hates manuals as it sounds like the next M3 won't have one.I'd love to get a new M3 in Acid Green with a Sakhir orange interior.
 
One of my Sunday morning rituals is a sunrise drive in the canyons with friends, in this case, Angeles Crest, for those who are familiar.

My friend just received 9 new M cars. He is the largest Turo host in the world, and as a side benefit, I get to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

While I've had a fair amount of seat time in the current G80 M3, from the Autobahn to BMW M Driving School in Thermal to backroads here in SoCal, I had yet to experience the new M2. I have a long history of owning M cars (including my M2 CS) and was a big fan of the last gen M2 Comp and CS. I have already been impressed with the capabilities of the current M3, albeit it's not the most involved machine, and I still find that front end ugly. Also, it's a large car now and back up in weight compared to the last generation.

What I didn't expect yesterday was to walk away, preferring the M3 and rather significantly at that, especially as it was auto and the M2 was 6-spd. Angeles Crest is a high-speed drive, more like the Nurburgring instead of a very technical short course, and the stability and confidence it inspired were truly fantastic. I am a faster driver than my friend but couldn't keep up with him in the M2, at least comfortably. The M3 was extremely stable at speed, turn-in, and braking, while the M2 being shorter, tended to move around more. It felt like BMW didn't spend the time to hone in the dynamics as much as they did in the M3- which could be one of the reasons for the $15k price difference and also to maybe make it feel more "alive."

On that note, both these cars were brand new, so we didn't want to push them too hard. We did set the ideal tire pressures in them at the start; the M3 had Pirelli P Zero's, and the M2 had Yokohama Advan's with BMW's star, interestingly enough- I've never seen a Yokohama on an M car.

Emotionally, I always prefer lighter, smaller, and manual transmissions. However, objectively, the M3's size benefitted it in this type of driving and made it feel lighter because the weight was spread over a greater length. Also, the S58 pulls unrelentingly with the 8-spd ZF, just never-ending acceleration- you hardly know it's boosted. While the manual was a nice gearbox to shift, it didn't feel like it was the right choice for the S58; it would come off/on boost slightly between shifts, and the longer gears made it feel more lethargic. Also, that auto allowed me to be in the zone and focus on nailing the braking zone, hitting the apex, working the weight transfer, and powering out.

It goes against my internal beliefs, but the larger and automatic M3 was more impressive and really seems to be one of the best all-around vehicles you can buy if performance along with usability are important to you. You can commute in it, take a long road trip, fill it up with friends, take the kids to school, and lay down some serious times at the racetrack out of the box. It's really hard to be good at everything, and because of that, it's certainly not the most soulful vehicle, but objectively, it does everything exceptionally well.

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You shouldn't be surprised as the wheelbase of the M2 is a full 4 inches shorter than the M3. In fact the wheelbase of the M2 falls between the E46 and E92 while having more power than the E92. With better aero you would dust the M3. Also, having to manually shift requires more concentration and effort to keep up.
 
He has a Primary residence in Montana? I can remember a few years back that a guy was "helping people " by creating "LLC's" in Montana for a small sum so that mostly California's could bypass paying a hefty license plate fee. Apparently it came to a head at a car show no less. It sounds like a government employee just happened to notice a La Ferrari, Bugatti Veyron, and a McLaren P1 all parked next to each other, when he casually asked "You guys are all from Montana?" Nope just set-up an "LLC". The current M2 is the last BMW with a dct all the others have gone 8 speed ZF. I was looking on BMW Germany and it looks like the M3 isn't even offered with a manual transmission in Europe. In Europe the Manual transmission option is 2k Euros higher than the Auto on the M2. The previous head of M performance said BMW would offer manuals as long as people bought them. Whomever is in charge now apparently hates manuals as it sounds like the next M3 won't have one.I'd love to get a new M3 in Acid Green with a Sakhir orange interior.
He has an office in Montana for one of his Turo locations (he has multiple ones throughout the country). I know what you are referring to: rich people trying to avoid taxes on hypercars by forming an LLC in Montana to register their car; this is not the case.

The DCT was discontinued with the last gen, either a ZF 8-spd or 6-spd manual in the M2. UK BMW doesn't offer the 6-spd in the M3 as they only come with the X-drive versions, but it is still available in other EU countries. It pains me to say it, but the 8-spd is the better choice for the S58 than the manual.
 
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I did a BMW drive event last year, but unfortunately we didn’t take the M2 out on the track, only M3 and M4.
These are very impressive cars. Took the hammering in a 90+ degree temps and AC on full blast with no problems.
Their cooling systems have been EXCELLENT since the last generation of S55 powered M cars (F80/F82/F87), which was a big focus when they went to turbo M cars. You can pound the daylights out of the cars in extreme temperatures, and the oil and coolant stay in check while having great AC. You will burn through tires on a hot track day before anything else.
 
Their cooling systems have been EXCELLENT since the last generation of S55 powered M cars (F80/F82/F87), which was a big focus when they went to turbo M cars. You can pound the daylights out of the cars in extreme temperatures, and the oil and coolant stay in check while having great AC. You will burn through tires on a hot track day before anything else.
I just saw a Vegas Red M2 w/Carbon Fiber roof at Starbucks. Looks so sweet!
 
Nice, but I still lean towards an F87 M2 CS. The current M2's styling was apparently inspired by either Lego or Minecraft. And I despise the tacked-on digital display- particularly since most every function is now hidden in a submenu on the touchscreen.
 
Nice, but I still lean towards an F87 M2 CS. The current M2's styling was apparently inspired by either Lego or Minecraft. And I despise the tacked-on digital display- particularly since most every function is now hidden in a submenu on the touchscreen.
I much prefer the M2/M3 styling of the F-gen, BMW really nailed it.
 
One of my Sunday morning rituals is a sunrise drive in the canyons with friends, in this case, Angeles Crest, for those who are familiar.

My friend just received 9 new M cars. He is the largest Turo host in the world, and as a side benefit, I get to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

While I've had a fair amount of seat time in the current G80 M3, from the Autobahn to BMW M Driving School in Thermal to backroads here in SoCal, I had yet to experience the new M2. I have a long history of owning M cars (including my M2 CS) and was a big fan of the last gen M2 Comp and CS. I have already been impressed with the capabilities of the current M3, albeit it's not the most involved machine, and I still find that front end ugly. Also, it's a large car now and back up in weight compared to the last generation.

What I didn't expect yesterday was to walk away, preferring the M3 and rather significantly at that, especially as it was auto and the M2 was 6-spd. Angeles Crest is a high-speed drive, more like the Nurburgring instead of a very technical short course, and the stability and confidence it inspired were truly fantastic. I am a faster driver than my friend but couldn't keep up with him in the M2, at least comfortably. The M3 was extremely stable at speed, turn-in, and braking, while the M2 being shorter, tended to move around more. It felt like BMW didn't spend the time to hone in the dynamics as much as they did in the M3- which could be one of the reasons for the $15k price difference and also to maybe make it feel more "alive."

On that note, both these cars were brand new, so we didn't want to push them too hard. We did set the ideal tire pressures in them at the start; the M3 had Pirelli P Zero's, and the M2 had Yokohama Advan's with BMW's star, interestingly enough- I've never seen a Yokohama on an M car.

Emotionally, I always prefer lighter, smaller, and manual transmissions. However, objectively, the M3's size benefitted it in this type of driving and made it feel lighter because the weight was spread over a greater length. Also, the S58 pulls unrelentingly with the 8-spd ZF, just never-ending acceleration- you hardly know it's boosted. While the manual was a nice gearbox to shift, it didn't feel like it was the right choice for the S58; it would come off/on boost slightly between shifts, and the longer gears made it feel more lethargic. Also, that auto allowed me to be in the zone and focus on nailing the braking zone, hitting the apex, working the weight transfer, and powering out.

It goes against my internal beliefs, but the larger and automatic M3 was more impressive and really seems to be one of the best all-around vehicles you can buy if performance along with usability are important to you. You can commute in it, take a long road trip, fill it up with friends, take the kids to school, and lay down some serious times at the racetrack out of the box. It's really hard to be good at everything, and because of that, it's certainly not the most soulful vehicle, but objectively, it does everything exceptionally well.
Did you feel the same about manual + S55? Also, does the Zandvoort Blue look that washed out in reality or do the cameras / displays not do it justice?
 
Did you feel the same about manual + S55? Also, does the Zandvoort Blue look that washed out in reality or do the cameras / displays not do it justice?
I do, even though emotionally, I always want a manual; it's an internal struggle, haha.

The color really pops in person, if one wants their M2 to stand out then it would be a good pick.
 
BMW signed a deal with Yokohama and they are now BMW OE supplier (BMW did not drop others. Yokohama was added to the bunch).
ZF8 will always be ahead of manual performance-wise. But, I would still choose manual.
As for design, I do think F series was better design. However, BMW (this is strictly an enthusiast opinion) botched the F30 IMO with an attempt to please everyone, meaning trying to get the Lexus, Audi, and MB crowd. I still think F87 is best BMW they made since E90 so there was definitely potential in F series. I am glad they decided to go a different route in the G series, meaning being more focused on traditional BMW drivers, but I agree on a design.
 
I'm a big fan of the BMW M3... Beyond the looks... The base car with the 6 speed in IOM Green would take the cake.

Thanks for sharing, I miss the days of bobbing along Angeles Crest in my king of the canyon WRX with 300 (OMGGG) Horsepower.
 
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