It would be a waste of the oil to do less than 1 year 10,000 miles with syn oil.
10k Changes on Amsoil 0-20?
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Probably 1 or 2 people making the advertised 25K or 35K interval in 35 years too. Not sure why my 17.5K severe service oil was shot at 12K miles despite 90% highway driving of 30 miles or more.
Amsoil enthusiasm should be tempered with some evidence; I've seen plenty of UOAs on BITOG to conclude that many cars don't even make it to the severe service intervals.
0W-20 ASM for 1 year or 10K miles is a go. Not so sure about 15K tho.
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All 3000 plus Texas State Police cars run 20,000 miles on every Amsoil oil change since 2000. Plus Amsoil backs it up with a warranty and review thousands of UOA's every year. Their oil has never failed in 35 years in recommended applications. Enough evidence for me.
If you search the internet, you can probably find him. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to name names.
I think the UOA's I've seen where Amsoil appeared to have fallen short were either run over a year, a nonrecommended application, dirt/gas/additives/coolant were found, or used without cleaning a dirty/sludgy engine, etc. And yet the wear metals still looked low and there was no mechanical failure.
I think the UOA's I've seen where Amsoil appeared to have fallen short were either run over a year, a nonrecommended application, dirt/gas/additives/coolant were found, or used without cleaning a dirty/sludgy engine, etc. And yet the wear metals still looked low and there was no mechanical failure.
No problem whatsoever.
Amsoil 0W-20 ASM will do 10K runs, easy.
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Amsoil 0W-20 ASM will do 10K runs, easy.
Also 10K won't be pushing so hard that you would worry about warranty. Please click above to purchase from site sponsor, Pablo.
I second this, 10K and leave the filter in!
You should be able to do 10k with a Wix/Napa Gold filter.
I'd like to second, third, fourth? the motion not to worry about filter changes at 5k.
I've cut open a ton of filters from 2-7k OCIs on various vehicles around here. (most of them pretty old) And I have never seen evidence that the filter was becoming loaded, or damaged. Even a ST filter would do 10K IMO. But a nice Purolator or Mobil 1 or Wix or Amsoil? filter would be some good insurance in the long haul.
As far as whether or not you SHOULD go extended drains, I think that is a personal choice. Back it up with some OCIs for your own personal comfort. The odds of an engine failure inside of the warranty period are pretty low. Just do so realizing that hyundai may not have to honor an engine related warranty claim.
I've cut open a ton of filters from 2-7k OCIs on various vehicles around here. (most of them pretty old) And I have never seen evidence that the filter was becoming loaded, or damaged. Even a ST filter would do 10K IMO. But a nice Purolator or Mobil 1 or Wix or Amsoil? filter would be some good insurance in the long haul.
As far as whether or not you SHOULD go extended drains, I think that is a personal choice. Back it up with some OCIs for your own personal comfort. The odds of an engine failure inside of the warranty period are pretty low. Just do so realizing that hyundai may not have to honor an engine related warranty claim.
There isn't a car manufacter today that can refuse to pay a warranty claim because a customer went beyond the reccommended oil change interval UNLESS doing so damaged the engine and it can be proved. I have seen one engine repair after another covered by warranty where the customer didn't present any proof of oil changes. The burden of proof lies at the dealer's feet when claiming a customer's neglect caused a failure and the dealer is far from being the last word on the issue. I am not saying go out and throw away your oil change tools. I am saying that if an oil has the ability to protect an engine for 60K miles then you have no fear in running it that long. Dealer's have to present internal engine evidence that the lubricant failed to protect the engine. The laws have greatly swung in favor of the consumer when dealing with warranty concerns arise. It is up to the consumer to determine how long any particular oil is able to protect their engine based on their driving habits. Some cars barely test an oil's ability to protect(Toyota V-8s and Honda 4cyls are just two examples). I think I could run 20K intervals in my Accords based on what the blend oil I use looks like at 10K. Then again,if you have an engine that has coolant seepage issues(some GMs) or is known for shearing the best oils you need to look closely at what you can expect to do.
I would not automatically run an oil 25K just because the maker of the oil said I could but if through testing the used oil and incrementally extending the intervals with safe results showed that it was fine I would run it without fear of the dealer. Period.
I would not automatically run an oil 25K just because the maker of the oil said I could but if through testing the used oil and incrementally extending the intervals with safe results showed that it was fine I would run it without fear of the dealer. Period.
BTLew..
I went through the whole warranty issue with my local dealer and Hyundai America after my dealer demanded I do all the 60K maintenance at 30K "or your warranty will be voided". Just like that, they deliberately lie to scare folks into spending a grand and change doing unnecessary work on the car to fatten their income. Obviously, I didn't go for it. I did however, have a chat with Hyundai America about the situation, they called the dealer, then the rep called me back to report he needed a shower after talking to that service manager because he was so creepy. He then proceeded to instruct me to follow the manufacturer's book rather than the dealer's creeps. That means 7500 mile OCI, 60K on the coolants and fluids, belts and hoses as needed, etc., etc.
He also let me know that the dealer facility isn't necessary at all. All Tires Plus, GoodYear/Gemini, Firestone, some Wally-Worlds and some Sears centers have the factory schedules and tasks in their systems and when said scheduled tasks are performed by ASE-certified wrenchers, they are honored as being in full compliance with the terms of the Hyundai factory warranty.
Having dispensed with the dealer, I'd say do a 10K OCI if you feel like it. Use the Amsoil, use whatever filter is specified by Hyundai (a gal I go out with now and then bought a SantaFe with a V-6 and uses a cartridge), buy a few of em at the dealer, by a few cases of some kind of dino or syn to show receipts in the event of a dispute and enjoy your long intervals on Amsoil. I'm a 6-8K OCI-guy in my AccentGT which puts a miniscule load on the oil, it barely darkens in that mileage period and I use my PureOne spin-on filters for 2 OCI. I've cut these open in the past and they simply don't load, blow out or deteriorate over that period.
Utah Bill probably has the best policy of all, 4 or 5K on the cheapest oil and filters, he runs his cars in pretty severe conditions, and never a problem. Point being of course, the base oils these days are so good compared to the past, the engines are so clean inside with fuel injection, the metals, the tolerances, every consideration combined point to longer OCI, less wear and longer service in new cars. Especially the economy imports with their mellow 4 and 6 cylinder engines. It seems a terrible waste for folks doing 3K OCI with new filters on the standard-issue engines of the last ten years. No need.
Of course, now will come along the usual dinosaur era cadre' to remind us that "Oil and filters are cheap, my engine (typically a 100-200HP 4 or V6) is expensive and I'm special" to justify said wasteful 3k OCI.
3K ain't even gettin warmed up. Enjoy the extended OCI, you'll be fine.
I went through the whole warranty issue with my local dealer and Hyundai America after my dealer demanded I do all the 60K maintenance at 30K "or your warranty will be voided". Just like that, they deliberately lie to scare folks into spending a grand and change doing unnecessary work on the car to fatten their income. Obviously, I didn't go for it. I did however, have a chat with Hyundai America about the situation, they called the dealer, then the rep called me back to report he needed a shower after talking to that service manager because he was so creepy. He then proceeded to instruct me to follow the manufacturer's book rather than the dealer's creeps. That means 7500 mile OCI, 60K on the coolants and fluids, belts and hoses as needed, etc., etc.
He also let me know that the dealer facility isn't necessary at all. All Tires Plus, GoodYear/Gemini, Firestone, some Wally-Worlds and some Sears centers have the factory schedules and tasks in their systems and when said scheduled tasks are performed by ASE-certified wrenchers, they are honored as being in full compliance with the terms of the Hyundai factory warranty.
Having dispensed with the dealer, I'd say do a 10K OCI if you feel like it. Use the Amsoil, use whatever filter is specified by Hyundai (a gal I go out with now and then bought a SantaFe with a V-6 and uses a cartridge), buy a few of em at the dealer, by a few cases of some kind of dino or syn to show receipts in the event of a dispute and enjoy your long intervals on Amsoil. I'm a 6-8K OCI-guy in my AccentGT which puts a miniscule load on the oil, it barely darkens in that mileage period and I use my PureOne spin-on filters for 2 OCI. I've cut these open in the past and they simply don't load, blow out or deteriorate over that period.
Utah Bill probably has the best policy of all, 4 or 5K on the cheapest oil and filters, he runs his cars in pretty severe conditions, and never a problem. Point being of course, the base oils these days are so good compared to the past, the engines are so clean inside with fuel injection, the metals, the tolerances, every consideration combined point to longer OCI, less wear and longer service in new cars. Especially the economy imports with their mellow 4 and 6 cylinder engines. It seems a terrible waste for folks doing 3K OCI with new filters on the standard-issue engines of the last ten years. No need.
Of course, now will come along the usual dinosaur era cadre' to remind us that "Oil and filters are cheap, my engine (typically a 100-200HP 4 or V6) is expensive and I'm special" to justify said wasteful 3k OCI.
3K ain't even gettin warmed up. Enjoy the extended OCI, you'll be fine.
Thanks for all of the input. I seem to think this engine is fairly easy on the oil, and I truly believe a 10k change is nothing.
I trust amsoil...and I love the support it gets here. The thought of an oil change or two a year is nice...to me.
I trust amsoil...and I love the support it gets here. The thought of an oil change or two a year is nice...to me.
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The car has 60,000 miles on it...she drives far to work...mostly hwy. I have been running 10,000 mile OCI's from the beginning. I started off using Mobil 1 5w-20. Went two OCI's, and then switched to Amsoil 5W-20...no noticeable difference.
I just switched to Amsoil 0w-20...very noticeable difference. Purrs oh so smooth, and the engine is significantly quieter.
I just switched to Amsoil 0w-20...very noticeable difference. Purrs oh so smooth, and the engine is significantly quieter.
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