0w-8 has gone mainstream. M1 AFE 0w-8.

[SubieRubyRoo]

I can't see WalMart dedicating any sort of shelf space to a product that isn't going to sell. Retail businesses live and die by shelf space efficiency. My local WalMart cleared out all of their 0W-16 because it didn't move. It was the dust collector of the store and 0W-8 won't be any different.

Maybe in 5 years it might become a retail darling. Today... NO.

Wait until the clearance sale and mix it 1:5 with M1FS 0w40 for a nice thin 0w30…

 

[oil pan 4]

HTHS of 1.8, no thanks, time to stock up on my favorite Mobil 1 oils or just start using HPL.

I second that.

 

[oil pan 4]

I used 0w20 Redline in my 2015 R18 but its essentially a extremely robust 30wt but with a noack in the single digit numeros. At 300k,I swapped over to 5w30 standard synthetic oil and made it to almost 400K.

Yeah a lot of "20 weights" test out as nearly "30 weights".
Most of the VOA tests I see here for a 20 weight oil spec out at 9 to 9.5 cSt at 100c and a 30 weight starts at what 10 cSt?

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Yeah a lot of "20 weights" test out as nearly "30 weights".
Most of the VOA tests I see here for a 20 weight oil spec out at 9 to 9.5 cSt at 100c and a 30 weight starts at what 10 cSt?

Isn't there a Chart at the VOA Room here? I think the average Virgin viscosity is around 8.5-8.6. Highest I saw was 9cst and lowest was 7.9

 

[Patman]

Yeah a lot of "20 weights" test out as nearly "30 weights".
Most of the VOA tests I see here for a 20 weight oil spec out at 9 to 9.5 cSt at 100c and a 30 weight starts at what 10 cSt?

30 weight is 9.3 to 12.4 cst at 100c

 

[oil pan 4]

Isn't there a Chart at the VOA Room here? I think the average Virgin viscosity is around 8.5-8.6. Highest I saw was 9cst and lowest was 7.9

Toyota dealership bulk oil was the lowest I can remember. It was like 6.6 cSt and mobil1s are usually an 8.

 

[factorytuned2012]

Yeah Toyota must be cringing we can now get our hands on 0w-8. keep trying to keep us from changing our own oil scaring us we need to use these ultra low viscosity oils that aren’t readily available out of the gate. I get it rope us in for an oil change and find something else wrong with the vehicle no thanks. I accept and adopted 0w-20 but that’s where I draw the line.

 

[Aston4]

Hi, I'm from 10 years in the future. I'm simultaneously amused, and horrified that people used to put water in their engines, and actually believed the lies. Going back to the future now.

You might be interested to know that any motor oil weight less than 30 was made illegal after the engine riots of 2031. Most of the cities are at least half rebuilt now.

 

[factorytuned2012]

You might be interested to know that any motor oil weight less than 30 was made illegal after the engine riots of 2031. Most of the cities are at least half rebuilt now.

I don’t understand one bit of that

 

[Patman]

I don’t understand one bit of that

None of us do

 

[factorytuned2012]

None of us do

Glad I’m not alone

 

[bullwinkle]

Industrial pollution, including the manufacturing of electric cars, is among the worst offenders. Personal vehicles are just low-hanging fruit, an easy target. Transitioning to ever-thinner oils is an even lower-hanging fruit, one that doesn't yield any real-world results, except in laboratory test cycles and on paper. At the end of the day, it's the consumer who loses out, while everyone else wins.

It’s because the consumers can’t defend themselves, we can’t afford the lobbyists & PACs. That’s why diesel locomotives don’t have DPFs nor SCRs!

 

[kschachn]

Hi, I'm from 10 years in the future. I'm simultaneously amused, and horrified that people used to put water in their engines, and actually believed the lies. Going back to the future now.

You might be interested to know that any motor oil weight less than 30 was made illegal after the engine riots of 2031. Most of the cities are at least half rebuilt now.

You laugh but the EU is getting close to that.

 

[Aston4]

You laugh but the EU is getting close to that.

Lots of gearheads in Deutschland.

 

[CKN]

I hate to highjack a thread but is 0w20 oil safe in the long run? I've used it since I got my 2012 Honda Civic because of the number on the oil cap but a lot of people think these 0 weight synthetics do more harm than good.

I tow 5,000 pounds all over the Rocky Mountains with trucks running that oil up 9,000 foot mountain passes. They haven't blown up yet.

 

[TomYoung]

Hard to say. I’ll take the bet on the Toyota making it with an 0W8 over the Hyundai/Kia making it with 5W30.

Nice job switching from thin oil to unrelated, but always timely, Hyundai bashing!

 

[Aston4]

Nice job switching from thin oil to unrelated, but always timely, Hyundai bashing!

With the current batch of engines, I would have a hard time placing a bet on Toyota vs Hyundai.

Lots of modern Toyota motors are hopeless oil burners at 150,000 miles (caused by thin oil?), leaky timing chain covers requiring engine removal to seal, leaky valve cover gaskets, leaky head gaskets, leaky cooling systems and water pumps, self destructing main bearings, cracking head bolts, exploding oil cooling lines... did I miss any... timing chain/gear stuff..., etc, etc.. Not to mention that Toyota won't sell anything besides a short block if you need a new engine, which is a pee movement. Hyundai had a (large) batch of bad motors due to a defective run of bearings sourced from China, issue seems solved.

While Hundai has definitely been on the way up, in engineering, styling, handling and quality, Toyota has been coasting on reputation while dropping off on quality and engineering prowess. Not to mention that all Toyotas handle, and have always handled like GARBAGE, unless made by BMW or Mazda or Subaru and badge stamped. Toyota brakes are for children's tricycle. I say this as someone who has owned MANY Toyotas/Lexi of various flavors and has one right now. I have never owned a Hyundai/Kia, but I've driven a few.

The real advantage Toyota has over Hyundai is resale value, because of good/bad reputation of both brands, and that typical Toyota owners seem to abuse the vehicles less.

 

[ATex7239]

Nice job switching from thin oil to unrelated, but always timely, Hyundai bashing!

We own a Toyota spec for 0W16 and a Hyundai currently running 5W30. So there is that.

 

[YZJB]

Not to mention that all Toyotas handle, and have always handled like GARBAGE, unless made by BMW or Mazda or Subaru and badge stamped.

GR Yaris and GR Corolla?

 

[Aston4]

GR Yaris and GR Corolla?

GR Corolla electric steering is hot garbage. Is Yaris still made by Mazda? We don't get them any more in the US. I drove a rental Yaris (Mazda) and steering was better than any Toyota. Electric steering is awful across the board (except for VWAG) but Toyota electric steering probably has killed many people it is so horrible. I HATE highway driving with electric steering, especially Toyota. Very tiring. No wonder modern cars require so many "assist" features just to stay in the lane.

When you are out driving on the highway, hang out behind any Toyota and watch it wander all over the place. They all do it. Then watch any VW/Audi/Porsche. See how planted in the lane it is? VWAG absolutely nailed the electric steering software. Toyota has no clue.