ZDDP Levels?

[CC1981]

I would love to see the results from running Castrol 0w40 but I'm done experimenting with oil in my truck. It's running so smooth and quiet right now that I just want it to stay that way.

Part of why I tried so many oils was to try and figure out what in Redline is the quieting factor. Is it the high hths? High Moly? Higher Zinc? Combo of high moly/zinc? Ester/pao basestocks? Or is it all of the above combined... After trying all the different oils I tried, I still don't know what it is about Redline line quiets.

 

[dblshock]

a nice 5w40 Edge Euro probable give that R/L a run at -50% cost...I like a Red Line, but.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: burla
Good points, and we can test for this. However, I can say it takes years to accomplish this.

Definitely; it's not easy or feasible, really.

As for Castrol 0w-40 A3/B4's HTHS, Overkill's 3.8 suggestion sounds pretty reasonable.

 

[burla]

Originally Posted By: dblshock
a nice 5w40 Edge Euro probable give that R/L a run at -50% cost...I like a Red Line, but.


Oh yeah, we all like $$ better then any brand of oil, lol. In fact, that is why so many people tried other things, and it still isn't settled imo. If we can find what it is about Redline's formula, and possibly isolate it, and test it, maybe an engine additive (yes I know cus word) could be the answer. Lubeguard's bio additive I thought had the most promise, and we only had one guy test it against his tick, we should have considered it more.

If our theory is correct, and it is the moly, then in theory that is the one additive that can work. It is as valid of a theory as it being the hths. Especially considering my personal tick that was really bad, was solved running 5w20 Redline, not stellar hths in comparison to average 5w30's. Moving to 5w30 has not proven itself to be the answer, and even moving to 0w40 or close hasn't been the answer either. If it was hths, maybe those should have faired better. Maybe it is the polarity of the esters, like we said, we don't know, but we do know the difference from a knocking hemi and a quiet one, and what got us there. So far, that is all we can say.

 

[TheKracken]

Originally Posted By: burla
Originally Posted By: dblshock
a nice 5w40 Edge Euro probable give that R/L a run at -50% cost...I like a Red Line, but.


Oh yeah, we all like $$ better then any brand of oil, lol. In fact, that is why so many people tried other things, and it still isn't settled imo. If we can find what it is about Redline's formula, and possibly isolate it, and test it, maybe an engine additive (yes I know cus word) could be the answer. Lubeguard's bio additive I thought had the most promise, and we only had one guy test it against his tick, we should have considered it more.

If our theory is correct, and it is the moly, then in theory that is the one additive that can work. It is as valid of a theory as it being the hths. Especially considering my personal tick that was really bad, was solved running 5w20 Redline, not stellar hths in comparison to average 5w30's. Moving to 5w30 has not proven itself to be the answer, and even moving to 0w40 or close hasn't been the answer either. If it was hths, maybe those should have faired better. Maybe it is the polarity of the esters, like we said, we don't know, but we do know the difference from a knocking hemi and a quiet one, and what got us there. So far, that is all we can say.


I wonder if there are people selling their hemi's out there as a mechanic special due to the tick. Id love to pick one up and only have to chance the oil to a high moly oil and have a nice cheap truck.

 

[Smokey613]

What oil additives are available that would raise the moly content of someone's existing oil choice?

 

[AVB]

LiquiMoly MoS2

 

[burla]

Originally Posted By: Smokey613
What oil additives are available that would raise the moly content of someone's existing oil choice?


Like the guy who posted in this thread, Lubegard's biotech looks solid for moly. There is a voa out there, actually here at bob's. 1700 or so ppm mply, 3400 ppm phos, 3000 ppm calcium, they have a 10 ounce and 15 ounce option. This is the same moly as in redline, mso2 is not. However, I do believe the same company makes this additive, it just isn't available here in America yet. It is called molygen by liqui moly, and it sure looks good if you can find it. Redline is a sure way to get it, and motul is ppssibly, hit or miss which ones have moly. Redline's race oil actually has very high moly, but of course would likely dilute your calcium levels in used in a PCMO.

 

[burla]

Oh yeah, lubegard is also ester based, which esters are also polar metal hunters. read this from machinelube, it is no surprise to me lubegards biotech also silenced the tick, the same technology as redline, just on a smaller level as it will account for 15% of volume in the crankcase, whereas redline would account for 100% of the volume if you went with an entire redline oil change. If you have a ticking hemi, you have nothing to loose, everything to gain.

 

[Virtus_Probi]

In the PQIA's survey of synthetic 5W30s from 2013, Schaeffer's Supreme had the highest moly level at 309ppm.
ENEOS was the next highest at 171ppm, and the rest of the field was below 100ppm.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html

They didn't touch on high end/price oils like Redline and AMSOIL Signature Series, although they did have Amsoil OE in there. Formulations could have changed a lot since 2013, of course.

 

[Virtus_Probi]

Originally Posted By: Smokey613
What oil additives are available that would raise the moly content of someone's existing oil choice?


A guy on subaruforester.org bought MoS2 powder online and added it to his oil himself, he claimed that it was cheaper than buying liquid additives. There are a number of listing for ~1um powder on Amazon. I believe that poster warned that you would be very upset if you spilled the powder or, even worse, let the wind get ahold of it.