Will we ever see PP 0W-20?
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If the price is too much, does that mean it is (at least partially) as Group IV/V oil? Probably.
Originally Posted By: Mark888
If the price is too much, does that mean it is (at least partially) as Group IV/V oil? Probably.
It means it is low volume production, that's it.
If the price is too much, does that mean it is (at least partially) as Group IV/V oil? Probably.
It means it is low volume production, that's it.
My local Kragen has it, and we use in place of OEM Honda 0/20 for hybrid services.
I'd love to use it in our TL...if someone around here would stock the stuff.
A special order for me, 1 day wait to get from warehouse. The problem with that is I pay the same price as I would for M1. It makes me kinda sick seeing that for what I paid for my 6qt of PP, I got 2 gallons of UFA branded XD3 0w-30 on sale! Nonetheless me and my car are liking the PP 0w-20 and plan on paying a premium for it when the cold winter comes knocking. This oil proved its worth right away in my car with a week straight of -40C and never a problem starting it up (block heater plugged in of course).
At least in my neck of the woods I think once they start selling the M1 0W oils I should start seeing better prices. Here most places will carry the 0W's because of the cold weather properties. I am sorry to say unless your area has lots of hybrids, I think that it might be hard to get it as a regular stocked item seeing that it is branded a "hybrid oil" on the box by Penzoil. Joe Blow will glaze right over it when shopping for oil for his 5W-20 spec'd vehicle.
At least in my neck of the woods I think once they start selling the M1 0W oils I should start seeing better prices. Here most places will carry the 0W's because of the cold weather properties. I am sorry to say unless your area has lots of hybrids, I think that it might be hard to get it as a regular stocked item seeing that it is branded a "hybrid oil" on the box by Penzoil. Joe Blow will glaze right over it when shopping for oil for his 5W-20 spec'd vehicle.
You are correct, the fact it says Hybrid is the killer. Pennzoil makes some great products but the marketing dept needs a good talking too. Mobil& Amsoil and some of the others basically say their 0W20 can be used in place of 5W-20 in any and all applications calling for a 5W-20, which is true. Not sure what Pennzoil says, but I would lose or hide the word Hybrid and follow Mobil 1's lead.
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My local NAPA carries the PP 0W-20.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
It means it is low volume production, that's it.
Could you explain how you know that for sure?
A 0W-20 requires a better quality base stock than a 5W-20. There is only so much you can squeeze out of a 100% Group III base stock before you have to start adding at least some Group IV/V.
It means it is low volume production, that's it.
Could you explain how you know that for sure?
A 0W-20 requires a better quality base stock than a 5W-20. There is only so much you can squeeze out of a 100% Group III base stock before you have to start adding at least some Group IV/V.
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
I'd love to use it in our TL...if someone around here would stock the stuff.
Have you tried Maxlife? They make it in 5w-20 you know which is what 2006-07 Accord V6s recommend.
I'd love to use it in our TL...if someone around here would stock the stuff.
Have you tried Maxlife? They make it in 5w-20 you know which is what 2006-07 Accord V6s recommend.
Originally Posted By: Mark888
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
It means it is low volume production, that's it.
Could you explain how you know that for sure?
A 0W-20 requires a better quality base stock than a 5W-20. There is only so much you can squeeze out of a 100% Group III base stock before you have to start adding at least some Group IV/V.
Better or not doesn't matter. If you are not seeing shelf space, they are not high volume.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
It means it is low volume production, that's it.
Could you explain how you know that for sure?
A 0W-20 requires a better quality base stock than a 5W-20. There is only so much you can squeeze out of a 100% Group III base stock before you have to start adding at least some Group IV/V.
Better or not doesn't matter. If you are not seeing shelf space, they are not high volume.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Better or not doesn't matter. If you are not seeing shelf space, they are not high volume.
Walmart will give them self-space if they can move inventory. But it costs a lot more than PP 5W-20, that is a problem.
Better or not doesn't matter. If you are not seeing shelf space, they are not high volume.
Walmart will give them self-space if they can move inventory. But it costs a lot more than PP 5W-20, that is a problem.
Originally Posted By: Mark888
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Better or not doesn't matter. If you are not seeing shelf space, they are not high volume.
Walmart will give them self-space if they can move inventory. But it costs a lot more than PP 5W-20, that is a problem.
How much does Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 cost for a quart compared to the PP 5W-20.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Better or not doesn't matter. If you are not seeing shelf space, they are not high volume.
Walmart will give them self-space if they can move inventory. But it costs a lot more than PP 5W-20, that is a problem.
How much does Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 cost for a quart compared to the PP 5W-20.
Since Mobil has re-marketed their 0w20/0w30 Mobil 1 as "Advanced Fuel Economy" oil and has seized shelf space, I think alot of retailers will be reluctant to devote more space for other 0wXX oils.
BTW, I use the M1 0w20/0w30 AFE oils and they seem very good.
BTW, I use the M1 0w20/0w30 AFE oils and they seem very good.
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PP 0W-20 is PAO based, so they probably can't reduce the price enough for Walmart to carry it.
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