Will Thinner Oils Damage Your Engine?

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Thinner oils do not reduce startup wear, a thinner oil never reduces wear unless the thicker oil is too thick to be pumped. MOFT reduces wear and a thinner oil always has a higher lower MOFT.

Thinner = lower MOFT ... I knew what you meant.
 
Thinner oils do not reduce startup wear, a thinner oil never reduces wear unless the thicker oil is too thick to be pumped. MOFT reduces wear and a thinner oil always has a higher MOFT.
I knew what you meant too. ;) Yet some people still have a hard time wrapping their heads around that.
 
he basically said going higher on the W is not a good idea ... However he failed to mention that it depends on the ambient temp and if within that spec, it may even be a good idea to go higher on the W side. in general, the oil will have a lower amounts of VII (depending on the base oil).

I'm sure he knows that but it's hard to put all that info in a generic video.
 
Also iirc, he mentioned that these engines are "designed" for using the thinner specified oil ... Did he say better parts?

Can someone elaborate?

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He said better internals ...
 
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he basically said going higher on the W is not a good idea ... However he failed to mention that it depends on the ambient temp and if within that spec, it may even be a good idea to go higher on the W side. in general, the oil will have a lower amounts of VII (depending on the base oil).

I'm sure he knows that but it's hard to put all that info in a generic video.
He did mention that ambient temp. He said colder temps can cause oil flow to be reduced if too high of an oil wt is used.
 
Also iirc, he mentioned that these engines are "designed" for using the thinner specified oil ... Did he say better parts?

Can someone elaborate?

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He said better internals ...


I have read that the Mazda SkyActiv engines were designed with 0w20 in mind. I’m guessing they aren’t the only ones.
 
Also iirc, he mentioned that these engines are "designed" for using the thinner specified oil ... Did he say better parts?

Can someone elaborate?

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He said better internals ...

Somewhat of a misnomer on his part but I imagine he was trying to use English rather than technobabble.

Lets say you have journal bearing X under load of Y requiring a MOFT of "3" ( which comes from a 30 psi pump) with a clearance of .004"

Lets say that's with a 40 oil

Now I want to redesign it to run optimally with a 10 oil

The loads don't change and assuming the pump doesn't I have to change the L-D ratio of the bearing ( length to diameter) which in turn means usually different metallurgy, heat treatment, alloying and surface finishing to keep the same load bearing characteristics.

That gives different COF and other properties so they all have to be adjusted to work with the new MOFT per design.

That's almost certainly what he means by "better"

That's a gross simplification of a very complex design process but essentially the high points
 
He dumbs things down pretty well. While following the manual is always the right choice, the manual also makes compromises. It doesn't know if the vehicle is being used in Florida or Alaska, for example. If the manual says 5w-30 and you live in Florida, a 10w-30 will be perfectly fine.

I wish he'd gotten into HTHS. Maybe in a future video.
Would the 10w30 really be any better than the 5w30 even in Florida?
 
For average people using their cars in average ways and assuming the oil is the spec by the manufacturer which is what, >90% of car owners? I'm going with "no". If you are beating the hell out of it, hooning, adding performance mods, tunes, etc. "Maybe"?
 
Spot on.

My wife drives short trips and never pushes her compact Honda. It's filled with 0W-20.

I drive at high speeds for long periods in high temperatures. I have 0W-40 in my vehicle.

One size does not fit all.


What will the 40 grade accomplish that a 20 won’t? What rpm is your engine running at these high speeds you speak of?
 
When running your 20 just feather the accelerator and don't exceed 55mph... you'll be fine, even save a quarter per month in fuel cost.
 
Would the 10w30 really be any better than the 5w30 even in Florida?

Generally 3.3 HTHS vs 3.1 HTHS and less temporary and permanent shear all else being equal. Add it all together and your bearings may be seeing a 2.9 vs 2.5 actual operating viscosity.

Would it be better would depend on if you had adequate operating viscosity to begin with.
 
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