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[Errtt]

Originally Posted By: Silver_civic
Why dont you JHZR2 and Errtt look up BILL IN UTAH here. He has had success using them, and next oil change I plan to use a 7317 ST. I dont buy that its "formulated to the bare minimum b.s." either, as I have talked to farmers in my hometown that use a lot of ST fluids and other folks that have NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. No name gas also means youre getting gas with WATER AND ALCOHOL JUST SO YA KNOW AS I TESTED LOTS OF DIESEL AND KEROSENE AND FRESH LUBE OIL ON MY SHIPS AS A OIL KING. BAD GAS/FUEL ALSO HAS CONTAMINANTS AND (CENSORED) IN IT.

I never said I had a problem with them - i was just responding to someone else, and didn't state use for myself either way. If you dig a little deeper, you might find that I would not have a problem using them myself in another post.

 

[Silver_civic]

Hey Errtt, I apologize, as I was reading in the other post, sorry. Duane, a OIL KING, sampled fresh lube oil, hydraulic oil, and F-76(DIESEL FUEL IN NAVY TERMS) and runs tests such as bottom sediment, and water or [censored]&W, and flashpoint tests. On lube oil you checked for water contamination and moisture, color, etc. I was honestly the oil kings assistant, later worked in AUX DIV(A-GANG or a/c, heat, waste oil boilers).


adam

P.S. Errtt, I may or not use a Super Tech 7317 as have like 9 WIX 51356 left. Have you used any Super Tech filters, and what are your opinions, feelings on em'?

 

[Silver_civic]

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[mva]

Last week I bought a jug of Pennzoil Conventional SN 5w30 at Walmart for $10.

QS, Valvoline and GTX have been on sale for similar prices over the past few months.

I see no reason to use a bargain brand oil.

 

[Silver_civic]

I dont think bargain brand is correct. SUPER TECH is a house brand and at 9$ its a good buy for your money period. I wont touch pennzoil honestly. At the two wal marts close to me here in western PA; Pennzoil, valvoline, gtx and such are like 14-16$ for a 5qt jug; so NO THANK YOU.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Silver_civic
Yeah, electrolover, you probably should; with all the hate here regarding ST products.


No offense, but this seems pretty much a trolling comment/strawman argument. You asked why people "hate" ST--and some people gave you logical answers to why some people have question--then you respond with this comment???

I don't see much "hate" regarding ST. What I see is a pretty simple statement of facts: they've had some oils in the past which have had issues, you don't necessarily know the manufacturer since it's a re-branded product, and there's not much of a competitive advantage with respect to price versus the branded products.

That's not "hate", that's a simple series of observations--ones which address your question. If you've had good success with it and you're comfortable with it, keep using it!;but don't mis-characterize the comments of others just because it suits your agenda.

 

[Silver_civic]

I wasnt trying to mislead or troll anyone. Some people on this board which I have looked up super tech oil and filters, have said they would use wix, napa gold, carquest no matter what. Other great members here like Bill in Utah have used Super Tech filters without problems at all and stated that their filters and oil are OK. Thats good enough for me. Super Tech oil in my area aint exxon mobil, this I know as a WPP or WNE aint mobil clean/mobil 1 at all. Most people gave me sarcastic answers or thought I was joking when I asked. I have read here long enough before I joined to form my own observations. Also some people question Super Tech stuff cause they dont do ANY research at all, and focus on what Super Tech may have been in the what; 90's early 2000's not the present. I take peoples talk and opinions for face value and thats all. No more, no less.

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Silver_civic
I wasnt trying to mislead or troll anyone. Some people on this board which I have looked up super tech oil and filters, have said they would use wix, napa gold, carquest no matter what. Other great members here like Bill in Utah have used Super Tech filters without problems at all and stated that their filters and oil are OK. Thats good enough for me.


Well, here's the potential problem--and the thing that would make me wary of Super Tech (or any rebranded product, for that matter), or more particularly recommending it to someone. Take the filter, for instance. The manufacturer of Super Tech filters seems to vary, and most likely goes to the lowest bidder. The changes in thelast3-5 years among the same model of certain filters has changed--sometimes numerous times. So, it's fine for Bill in Utah to say "I've had good luck with Super Tech filters". That doesn't mean that the filter he bought a year ago is the one you'll buy today. Yeah, this can happen with any product, but more so with re-branded stuff. If the filter were significantly cheaper than other options, that's one thing--but it really isn't.

Many of the Super Tech filters are now the E-core design, and I've seen enough of those cut open on this forum that I simply would not use one.

So, if someone asks for a recommendation for a product, I'm hesitant to recommend something when I don't know what I'm recommending is what they'll actually get. If you're able to inspect it first (and you know what you're looking for), or if you happen to be able to determine the manufacturer of a specific oil in your area, and you're comfortable with it, then as I said before, go for it.

I suspect a lot of folks are hesitant to just give a blanket recommendation for Super Tech stuff for this exact reason. Make sense?

 

[Shannow]

My oil and filter are OK too.

You can take THAT to the bank.

 

[Pop_Rivit]

The reason I won't buy SuperTech oil isn't because of quality issues, it's because I can't stand to set foot in a Wal-Mart store since Sam Walton died. The company philosophy morphed into what it is today and I have moral objections to their business practices and refuse to support those practices.

I'll happily take my money and make my purchases elsewhere.

 

[Errtt]

Originally Posted By: Silver_civic
Hey Errtt, I apologize, as I was reading in the other post, sorry. Duane, a OIL KING, sampled fresh lube oil, hydraulic oil, and F-76(DIESEL FUEL IN NAVY TERMS) and runs tests such as bottom sediment, and water or [censored]&W, and flashpoint tests. On lube oil you checked for water contamination and moisture, color, etc. I was honestly the oil kings assistant, later worked in AUX DIV(A-GANG or a/c, heat, waste oil boilers).


adam

P.S. Errtt, I may or not use a Super Tech 7317 as have like 9 WIX 51356 left. Have you used any Super Tech filters, and what are your opinions, feelings on em'?


Hey no problem, I was just responding regards to another reply and figured I got caught up in the mix.
Anyway, to answer your question, I have no problem using an Super Tech filter. Matter of fact, in a few months when I start the oil & filter changes on the motorcycles, I'll be using the Super Tech 6607 (short little OE size) on the wife's motorcycle. I bought her that bike brand new off the dealer floor and have used a few filters since.
The reason I'll be using the Super Tech filter this go-around is because I have more Super Tech filters (in the garage) than others for the bike. I also have the NG 1356 and Purolator Pure One 14610 which are longer than the Super Tech 6607.

Actually I have heard the Purolator Pure One (the one I have) is now no longer recommended by many in the bike world (last I heard)because of the pressure in some bikes and the pressure design on the PL filter as the filter was design for vehicles, but many run vehicle filters on bikes. To be honest, I have not myself had any problems with the PL filter on her bike, but since I only have 1 PL filter left, she is getting the Super Tech filter this spring. Might have something to do with the bypass pressure, I don't fully recall.

Another note - In today's economy, more bikers are trying to save a buck and when the conversation gets around, I have mentioned the use of Super Tech filters to many of my friends and most now use the Super Tech filters.
So this summer her bike will have the Super Tech filter & T6 Rotella 5w-40 oil.

 

[Silver_civic]

Good mornin JOD and pop rivit. I apologize to everyone here for the rant and raves last night bout diff filters and mobil 1 grease being bad. Yeah, I do feel that a filter like a Purolator is probably better in quality than say a OCOD. Arent the current factory black mopar filters a purolator? Sure look like it.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Silver_civic
Why dont you JHZR2 and Errtt look up BILL IN UTAH here. He has had success using them, and next oil change I plan to use a 7317 Super Tech. I dont buy that its "formulated to the bare minimum b.s." either, as I have talked to farmers in my hometown that use a lot of Super Tech fluids and other folks that have NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. No name gas also means youre getting gas with WATER AND ALCOHOL JUST SO YA KNOW AS I TESTED LOTS OF DIESEL AND KEROSENE AND FRESH LUBE OIL ON MY SHIPS AS A OIL KING. BAD GAS/FUEL ALSO HAS CONTAMINANTS AND (CENSORED) IN IT.


Are you really trying to start a fight? Let's start with bad fuel as my organization is ISEA/LCM for all Navy non-nuke prime movers and I work with the TWHs.

DLA buys fuel to the MIL PRF specs for F-76 and JP-5. In an emergency, a NAVSEA waiver will allow use of MGO with slightly worse specs. Do these fuels have significant sulfur and metals contamination? Yes, they can have "up to" fairly high levels, and what we buy in the third world has lots of bad stuff in it.

Just because some minimum spec is met by the purchased fuel doesn't mean that it is best for the engine. Sulfur effects for example can harm engine life substantially. Yet something is "within spec"... Big whoop.

Same thing with no-name products. You don't know how much overdesign was applied to the formulation. The suit against Warren for improperly formulated gear lube was a prime example. Do you really think they put any more quality, more additive, better basestock than they have to in order to meet the specs? A "premium" product should have slightly better engineering of quality design, etc.

Like I said, sometimes the stuff works. I've used Super Tech filters before, without major issue. However you can also get burned... Wonder how folks who bought the gear lube feel.

And, what's the matter with not trusting no-name stuff like Super Tech? Am I not allowed? If you want to chance stuff like that, if you see it as a non-issue, so be it. If you think that bill saying it is ok is all you need, fine. I'll not pick a possibly substandard lube, PARTICULARLY if it does not meet the specs that I need for my vehicles. Even if they had a lube that met the requisite specs, there are enough high quality name brand products available on sale that it is possible.to prep and get proper products...

 

[dsmdriver2588]

Used nothing but Super Tech oil and Super Tech filters for the first 40k miles on my vehicle (did one 10k oci, hehe). For thelasttwo years I've been changing oil for my mom, stepmom, and uncle and have used nothing but Super Tech oil and Super Tech filters (my uncle uses an ecore). No problems.

 

[Silver_civic]

Thank you dsmdriver 2588 for the honest reply, but I will probably just use my WIX. Contemplating possibly usin a ST for one oci, not sure yet.

thanks again for the opinion and honest reply,

adam

 

[Silver_civic]

Hey JHZR2, lighten up! I was on 4 MCM'S in the NAVY and we tested lots of fuel and did NOT HAVE ANY FUEL RELATED problems. Those WAUKESHA diesels worked well also. I will apologize to you for being a a** but will not vouch for anything I do NOT believe in. I have stated that I will continue using A WIX but I will try one Super Tech filter. To be truthful, I have a 05' silverado with a 5.3 v-8 in it and ya know what; I am using Super Tech gear oil in it without a problem also.

 

[kcfx4]

silvercivic, when a persons name is in blue such as jhzr2, that indicates theyre a moderator, you might want to tone it down a bit or get kicked off for a bit, its happened to me b4, just a heads up

 

[Silver_civic]

Thank you for the tip and info. Jhzr2, I apologize for being a idiot and no I dont want to fight. There is a lot here I am learning so bear with me.

adam

 

[GMorg]

I think that it is wise to put risk into perspective and to not fear rare events. On the other hand, I think that it is unwise to conclude that rare events do not occur simply because you have not observed them.

I have had many encounters with bears and copperheads. I have never been bitten or attacked. I am not prepared to conclude that either are safe.

 

[Silver_civic]

ok....