why you need semi-auto and large capacity mags

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Originally Posted By: stumpman
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." ... -Col. Jeff Cooper

JHZR2, seems your solution to defense from evil is flee to a safer place.... some folks don't like to run.


Given that I live within a few miles of Camden, NJ, Ill bet I live far closer to high crime than you do.

So dont tell me about not running and fleeing.

Yet somehow I walk down the street at night and dont get mugged by felons with 100-round machine guns.

The practicalities of living in a place where there is gun control, restrictions and crime is very real.

Yet I live in a beautiful town where the crime is low, armed robbery never shows up on the police reports in the newspapers, etc.

Of course I dont go walking down the main drag in Camden.

Common sense goes a long way.

And the situations that occur are not ones that justify the need for 100 rounds... Sorry.

How can such a magical place exist??? LOL.
 
And given that I live in the same county as this post's shooting happened, I only regret she didn't have a 30 round mag.
There is no such thing as overkill for a predator breaking into homes.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Cujet
I will not have others tell me what's best for me.

I was attacked by 9 individuals. While the situation eventually wound down, it was due to my pistol, and willingness to use it.

It had 12 rounds in the mag, 1 in the chamber and 1 additional 12 round mag available.

I will not have others, most of whom have NEVER BEEN ATTACKED, tell me what I need.



So youre attacked by 9 people on a regular basis. Something tells me that your experience is so far out of the regular statistical norm that it fails any test of reality, and doesnt make sense to be used as a basis for what any normal person needs in any normal situation.

Im not belittling your experience. Its just not sensible to me to use such a fringe experience to draw bounds here.

If I had to carry a gun, with a spare mag to exist on a daily basis, I would not live where I do. And dont give me a sob story about not being able to afford or have a job or whatever so youre stuck. There are plenty of places in this country where that will not happen.


It can happen anywhere. I live in Loudoun County, VA. Low crime rate. There may have been two homicides last year. Educated population with one of the highest median household incomes in the country. This isn't SE DC or the South Bronx. In 2011, a couple in a neighborhood where a bunch of Washington Redskins players live were attacked while on a morning jog. The husband was killed, and the wife was within an inch of her life. The husband had a carry permit, but wasn't carrying that morning.

Now that is hardly a neighborhood you'd not want to live in. Nice planned community, golf course, mostly priced $400k and up. 99.9% of the time you take that 6AM jog, you won't need your weapon. The man who lost his life certainly didn't think it was necessary, but it is that 0.01% scenario that you own a weapon for.

Anyone who hopes for a situation to use their firearm is lying or nuts. I'd prefer not to take a life, and I'd prefer to avoid the legal mess I would be in, even when fully justified in the use of force. Wrongful death lawsuits. Hiring a lawyer to help present your case to the authorities. Even in a "stand your ground" or "castle doctrine" state, you'd still potentially have a long, expensive road before you are finally done with the event.

Yet if it is a question of mine or my wife's safety, then I'm glad I have the option.
 
Originally Posted By: VicVinegar


Yet if it is a question of mine or my wife's safety, then I'm glad I have the option.


Nobody is denying necessity of having the option... DC V Heller verifies this at the Supreme Court level as I mentioned before.

Its a question of practicality of the necessity of carrying 30 rounds in a rifle for protection.

I highly doubt that the people shot on their AM jog, if he was carrying would have been carrying 30 rounds in a bushmaster.

That's my point...
 
Gun City, USA... Kennesaw, GA. Manditory weapon ownership.
If someone is in doubt if you are armed, they will think twice (Unless high on bath salts
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Originally Posted By: VicVinegar

Anyone who hopes for a situation to use their firearm is lying or nuts.


Very true.

Very happy that I didn't have to pull the trigger when I was in a situation.

And before a certain person gives me grief over it, I'll add that it wasn't necessary to fire.
 
a 223 would not be the best home defense weapon.. because if they're at 10 feet, they're probably closing the gap... the handgun goes anywhere my hand goes... not so for the rifle.

A pistol is like a close quarters fighting tool. A rifle..it keeps the perp away/down at long range.

In a closet when the door is opened and a intruder standing there with a crowbar..well anything is better than nothing..a pistol..perfect.
 
Originally Posted By: Cujet
I will not have others tell me what's best for me.

I was attacked by 9 individuals. While the situation eventually wound down, it was due to my pistol, and willingness to use it.

It had 12 rounds in the mag, 1 in the chamber and 1 additional 12 round mag available.

I will not have others, most of whom have NEVER BEEN ATTACKED, tell me what I need.




Amen.
 
These types of threads make me laugh.

"If it were me shooting, boom, headshot. I go on eating dinner with my family and let the cops sort it out."

Defense situations are dynamic, even chaotic, situations. The bad guy is moving. You are moving. When was the last time you practiced shooting while moving? When was the last time you practiced shooting at a dynamically moving target?

For most people, the answer is never. They stand stationary at a gun range in their practiced weaver stance, concentrate, and slowly pull the trigger at a stationary paper target. Hardly a real world scenario. That's like saying you could win the Formula 1 championship because dad let you drive slow on the driveway.

Beyond that, getting shot isn't like the hand of God coming down and flipping off the switch. 80% of gunshot wounds are survived. Most wounds are not head shots. Unless two organs are damaged, a massive majority of center-mass shots are non-lethal. Hits to the extremities, pelvic region, and butt are almost always survived.

A great little article from a shooting site citing many sources of gunshot trauma statistics:

http://www.shootingvoodoo.com/index.php/articles/gunshot_wounds_and_you

The more you realize how unprepared you are for an event that requires the use of a firearm to protect yourself, the better off you are. Realize that it is you, not your 30 round magazine stuffed with Critical TAP +P Hydroshock Defense ammo, who is unprepared. A safe car doesn't make a safe driver. Training and experience makes a safe driver. A safe car keeps you safe should the worst happen. The same goes for firearms. Training makes you most effective at protecting you and yours, not the number or type of ammunition in your magazine.
 
Originally Posted By: stumpman
JHZR2-

Your point is that YOU want to determine, and have the government enforce ,what YOU think the perfect amount of rounds each American gets.


This.

And let's not forget why the 2nd Amendment was included in the Bill Of Rights. It's not about hunting or burglars.
 
Why should the govt have the power to tell me how many rounds can be in any gun I may (or may not) own? I am a bit of a gun nut and support average American citizens owning belt fed 50 cal machine guns. Why? Because it is a RIGHT. I'm not going to argue self defense, but what if an angry mob formed and decided to raid my house? Would a M1 Garand with a standard clip help me? not really. Would a belt fed 50 help? you bet your fritos it would. Odds of this happening are near zero, but that isn't the point. The 2nd amendment wasn't just put in the Constitution as an afterthought. It was carefully constructed because the geniuses that wrote it knew that someday a sick leader would try and take away a bunch of our rights and the founders knew that the people were the best means to stop that. IMHO that is why there were no restrictions in the 2nd amendment. I know I know there were no 50 cal full autos back then. But did they put restrictions on cannons? Cannons were and are some serious firepower and I can own one legally. Why? See the part about the sick leader.
 
Originally Posted By: stumpman
JHZR2-

Your point is that YOU want to determine, and have the government enforce ,what YOU think the perfect amount of rounds each American gets.


No, my point is that I think it is outside the realm of any relevant situation to need to have to carry huge numbers of rounds for self protection.

15 rounds in a pistol? I get that. And that's what we have and that never went away.

Needing 30-100 rounds and a bushmaster to protect yourself? LOL. I think people are watching too many movies, or are caught up in drug trade and crime and are afraid to admit it.

When people are willing to talk about secondary and ternary effects of firing off that many rounds, then we can talk.

Or are you OK with others coming out and shooting you in cold blood because you missed in your intent of self protection and hit someone or something in their household with your 30 round salvo which apparently you were incapable of hitting the intruder 29 times? After all, the guy across the street may think he is under attack and start returning fire.

Its starting to sound very wild west, yet the biggest argument for guns is that crime has DROPPED and there isnt a felon with a machine gun in every shadow waiting to shoot you, steal your posession and rape your wife.

This is a question of large capacity. Is 5 rounds too few? Sure, perhaps so... though Ill bet it has been more than sufficient plenty of times (including in the title story). But does everyone need to carry around LARGE capacity? If so, society is so far gone that its just disgusting.

And at that point, weve departed the civilized world and become El Salvidor. No thanks...
 
My Glock (x2), Sig Sauer, Beretta all have 13 - 15 round mags and none of them have ever had a miss fire of any kind. They may in the future but that is usually due to a worn mag spring or bad ammo. In that case I have also seen revolvers have bad days due to bad ammo. I'm glad it worked out for her. One of my main concealed carry guns is a Ruger SP101, it is a 5 shot .357 magnum. Would have been a different story if he was hit 5 times in the face with those rounds insteead of a .38, though most women have a hard time dealing with the recoil of the magnum load. She may need to upgrade to a Baby Glock or a subcompact beretta PX4 if one likes to have an external safety.
 
Originally Posted By: -SyN-
loaded with 147gr TAP FPD.

Check out Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
 
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
These types of threads make me laugh.

"If it were me shooting, boom, headshot. I go on eating dinner with my family and let the cops sort it out.
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This guy took a .44 to the head on 10/23/76 when he was 20yrs old.
 
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
They may in the future but that is usually due to a worn mag spring or bad ammo.

Springs wear due to cycling. I had someone tell me to keep a mag half full as not to wear the spring, good thing I didn't take that advice and decided to educate myself instead. Shoot your gun regularly and if the gun or magazine become problematic have it repair or replace it.
 
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Originally Posted By: mikefxu
Originally Posted By: MuzzleFlash40
They may in the future but that is usually due to a worn mag spring or bad ammo.

Springs wear due to cycling. I had someone tell me to keep a mag half full as not to wear the spring, good thing I didn't take that advice and decided to educate myself instead. Shoot your gun regularly and if the gun or magazine become problematic have it repair or replace it.


I've never loaded my mags half full. I will change my springs out in my carry guns every few years since those are the ones that have many many rounds put through them. They are not that expensive and they give me piece of mind. Main carry guns Glock 19 with probably 15k through it, and Beretta PX4 subcompact 9mm with maybe a little less than the Glock. My third is my ruger .357 but it doesnt need mag springs, lol
 
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JHZR2-

By YOU determining the "realm of any relevant situation" YOU can determine the amount of rounds a citizen shall keep.

Your "common sense" is a bit different than mine. I know that criminals will have high cap magazines if they want them.... it is "common sense" that the law abiding can also have them.

It is not "common sense" to make a law abiding citizen a criminal for possessing the same level of protection that criminals have.
 
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