Maybe I don't see the point...if you'll eventually have to Auto-RX anyway (even if you use LC), isn't it less expensive to simply Auto-RX more frequently?
Michael
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Why use LC?
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Seems to me that if you combat oil breakdown, and keep insolubles low, that there will less to clean eventually.
Thats where LC shines.
Doesnt mean that some engines are sludge-prone and will break down the oil regardless, and other such anomolies.
JMH
Thats where LC shines.
Doesnt mean that some engines are sludge-prone and will break down the oil regardless, and other such anomolies.
JMH
No one said you have to use Auto-rx either. Just to add what JHZR2 said, it will help extend out your OCI interval and keep insoluables down. LC is a solvent based product with 20wt viscosity. That is not to say it is a harsh product. It contains just enough solvents to keep sludge and varnish down keeping your engine happy and your wallet thicker,,,AR
Michael,
Currently, I am using LC with my *mixture* of Amsoil in my Prizm, in the last four years, I have run four long OCI's with Amsoil, I will be doing this again with LC added per Lube Control's requirements and see what difference there are in the UOAs.
I did an Auto-RX cleaning on my engine about 15,000 or so miles ago, I plan to do a Auto-RX cleaning every 50,000 miles but will add the LC to the oil to help keep the oil from oxidizing or slow down the rate of that the oil oxidizes.
My driving habits have changed some (I drive less miles per year), we will see what the LC does for oil, compare non-LC and LC added UOA's, I am hoping to increase the length of my OCI's.
[ September 08, 2005, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: Bill ]
Currently, I am using LC with my *mixture* of Amsoil in my Prizm, in the last four years, I have run four long OCI's with Amsoil, I will be doing this again with LC added per Lube Control's requirements and see what difference there are in the UOAs.
I did an Auto-RX cleaning on my engine about 15,000 or so miles ago, I plan to do a Auto-RX cleaning every 50,000 miles but will add the LC to the oil to help keep the oil from oxidizing or slow down the rate of that the oil oxidizes.
My driving habits have changed some (I drive less miles per year), we will see what the LC does for oil, compare non-LC and LC added UOA's, I am hoping to increase the length of my OCI's.
[ September 08, 2005, 11:11 PM: Message edited by: Bill ]
If $$$$$ is the most important thing then seems to me LC is the better deal, a gallon doesn't cost much more than a little bottle of AutoRX and you can use it as a flush not just as the maintenance dose. Don't get me wrong I do use AutoRX and LC (not at same time)just thought the cost argument was flawed.
LC is free if you extend the OCI. LC will let this happen. I don't extend but use it for it's other attributes.
Auto-Rx is the only chemistry that clean ring packs while your driving. Why do you want to add additional solvents to your oil and keep driving this mix? There is only one Auto-Rx it is seperate and distinct. There is no less costly version. These are seperate chemistrys and to try and make them sound somewhat similar and one so much cheaper does a diservice to every company that pays for advertising on this board. Auto-Rx publishes our chemistry makeup right on the website. Before you put anything in your engine best to know how they will mix better yet work together.Besides Terry-Rich20-Molakule who really able to discuss these points?
T-Keith - Isn't liquifying carbon ultimately a cleaning function?
[I'll Rx my car down the road, some time]
[I'll Rx my car down the road, some time]
Just had the vlave cove off my car ( 95 nissan Altima with around 205 to 210000 miles) I broke a timing chain guide plate .. now I ARX ed my engine at around 130,000 ..the 60,000 before that were with synthetic and a bypass filter.
the engine wasn't particularly dirty , at least with the valve cover off, this at 135,000 miles) .after the full treatment cycle , then LC becamce availble,and I have been running 1oz per 1000 miles for the last 2-3 years ..infact upped the dosage to 3 oz recanly ...well when I remove the valve cover this time, the engine was even cleaner then after my ARX treatment ( this is about the 4th time I have had the cover off in the last 70,000 miles)
In the past there was alwat , just a bit of a dirty spot off to a couple of sides the pressureized oil doesn't reach...those areas are now clean, and on top of that the varnish on the valve cover now will wipe off with a cloth !
So both products have there place..clean it with ARX maintain it with LC
the engine wasn't particularly dirty , at least with the valve cover off, this at 135,000 miles) .after the full treatment cycle , then LC becamce availble,and I have been running 1oz per 1000 miles for the last 2-3 years ..infact upped the dosage to 3 oz recanly ...well when I remove the valve cover this time, the engine was even cleaner then after my ARX treatment ( this is about the 4th time I have had the cover off in the last 70,000 miles)
In the past there was alwat , just a bit of a dirty spot off to a couple of sides the pressureized oil doesn't reach...those areas are now clean, and on top of that the varnish on the valve cover now will wipe off with a cloth !
So both products have there place..clean it with ARX maintain it with LC
We do need more conclusive proof via repeated UOA's to prove, what, if anything LC does. I am not convinced it does all it says - I'm sure in some cars it has lowered insolubles a bit and thinned the oil as well, in a positive way.
I think LC does a good job as a last 500 mile rinse before changing oil, for those long OCI's! (16 oz or so)
I am NOT saying LC is bad. Maybe just compared to AutoRx there is less detectable "human senses" change.
I am now using LC in both cars at the recommended dosage, 1K treats.
I think LC does a good job as a last 500 mile rinse before changing oil, for those long OCI's! (16 oz or so)
I am NOT saying LC is bad. Maybe just compared to AutoRx there is less detectable "human senses" change.
I am now using LC in both cars at the recommended dosage, 1K treats.
Ummm errr, a Molasoak would take care of cleaning ring packs, theres no ARX in the Molasoak suggestion, its Lube Control.
Now cleaning ring packs while driving, maybe Arx is the only one we know of to do this, maybe not.
Right now we have Frank (the inventor and owner of Arx) telling us this, which you have to take his statement with a grain of salt.
Someone who has an engine with stuck rings (confirmed by compression and leak down test) should do an Lube Control shock treatment and drive for a thousand miles. Then see if the compression numbers improve. If they do then Arx isn't the only product that will keep the ring packs clean while driving.
Now cleaning ring packs while driving, maybe Arx is the only one we know of to do this, maybe not.
Right now we have Frank (the inventor and owner of Arx) telling us this, which you have to take his statement with a grain of salt.
Someone who has an engine with stuck rings (confirmed by compression and leak down test) should do an Lube Control shock treatment and drive for a thousand miles. Then see if the compression numbers improve. If they do then Arx isn't the only product that will keep the ring packs clean while driving.
Yeah I use and will continue to use both product but we have to make sure we know who is posting as some sponsors get a bit overzealous with their sales tecniques.
I don't have anything to try it on now but I want to try a Neutra purge one of these days, both my cars have already been AutoRXed, one is currently under LC maintanence and the other in AutoRX rinse.
I don't have anything to try it on now but I want to try a Neutra purge one of these days, both my cars have already been AutoRXed, one is currently under LC maintanence and the other in AutoRX rinse.
Guys, LC *can* clean but that's not its primary purpose in life. Auto-RX *can* reduce insoluables/oxidation but that's not its primary purpose in life, either.
Auto-RX is a great cleaner, and LC is a great maintainer/extender. Get your engine clean with Auto-RX and keep it clean with LC, IMHO.
Auto-RX is a great cleaner, and LC is a great maintainer/extender. Get your engine clean with Auto-RX and keep it clean with LC, IMHO.
Kind of like prunes for the short fix, and fiber for the long hual.
Dude!
How does LC20 compare and differ from VSOT?
bobo, VSOT has the adds your motor oil should/would have if the manufactorer was not low balling you, with some surfactant to spread it all around. Generally a bit thick. Boosts the add pack of the oil it is added to if compatible.
LC20 is primarily an anti oxidant with EP and lubricity capability. About a SAE20 fluid. Enhances the oil it is added to. Miscible/compatible with every known lube oil we have tested it in.
LC20 is primarily an anti oxidant with EP and lubricity capability. About a SAE20 fluid. Enhances the oil it is added to. Miscible/compatible with every known lube oil we have tested it in.
I Guess Castrol is low balling us with their GC.
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