Why use LC?
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I do not belive you need to eventualy use Auto-Rx. If you use LC consistently and do not get insane with OCI's then you will be fine. I think that what we have is two different competeing products that both do exactly what they claim. They have a lot of over lap in what they can do even though they are complete oposites in terms of chemistrys. Now do not get me wrong while they both have some overlap in what they can do they both do different things better then the other product.
Now how do you support two products that are both sponsors and both work great!!! Both do what they claim and are worth their cost. Their is no way the powers that be can support them both without it comeing off as suspicious and kind of flaky?
IF you have an engine that is sludged up and needs to be cleaned out either product will work but Auto-Rx is hands down the best for the job! If you have a seal leak from dirty or hard seals nothing is going to help like Auto-Rx. If you need to clean the rings ARX will do this as it is cleaning the rest of the engine.
If you have an engine that is just slightly dirty or lightly sludged LC will get it done easily. If you have varnish LC will get rid of it quickly. If you engine is clean LC will keep it clean. If you want to extend your oil changes LC will add anti-oxidants and enhance solvency to allow longer OCI's. If you need to clean CC and rings you can do this with direct application and soak of LC.
If someone at the top of the food chain actualy said "If you use LC consistently then you will not ever need to use Auto-Rx!" it would create serious problems. This type of statement will never be made even if it were true.
So either everything LC claims is true and we do not need ARX along with it or it is all lies!Now I do not think that any sponsor or moderator on this site would ever lie or allow lies to be spread. So I belive that both products do what they claim but are competeing for market share. So what we often see on this site is people trying to serve two masters.
No matter wich product you end up useing you will be better off then 99.9% of the motoring public! Both will keep your engine clean or clean it out. Each product has it's strong points and weak points.
Personely I think of LC as a preventive kind of like diet,exercise and vitamins.Diet,exercise and vitamins help you stay healthy to prevent infections. I think of ARX like anti-biotics. You would not take anti-biotics 365 days a year as a preventive measure against getting an infection.Once you have an infection though it would be silly to try and treat it with anything but anti-biotics.
If both products did not works so darn well I do not think we would see the division we see with these two products. Imagine how hard it must be for the site owner. He has two great products that work great, are simalar in what they can do, that are both sponsors. That would be like have a race car that had two simalar sponsor like say Coke and Pepsi. How would you ever do them both justice?
Now how do you support two products that are both sponsors and both work great!!! Both do what they claim and are worth their cost. Their is no way the powers that be can support them both without it comeing off as suspicious and kind of flaky?
IF you have an engine that is sludged up and needs to be cleaned out either product will work but Auto-Rx is hands down the best for the job! If you have a seal leak from dirty or hard seals nothing is going to help like Auto-Rx. If you need to clean the rings ARX will do this as it is cleaning the rest of the engine.
If you have an engine that is just slightly dirty or lightly sludged LC will get it done easily. If you have varnish LC will get rid of it quickly. If you engine is clean LC will keep it clean. If you want to extend your oil changes LC will add anti-oxidants and enhance solvency to allow longer OCI's. If you need to clean CC and rings you can do this with direct application and soak of LC.
If someone at the top of the food chain actualy said "If you use LC consistently then you will not ever need to use Auto-Rx!" it would create serious problems. This type of statement will never be made even if it were true.
So either everything LC claims is true and we do not need ARX along with it or it is all lies!Now I do not think that any sponsor or moderator on this site would ever lie or allow lies to be spread. So I belive that both products do what they claim but are competeing for market share. So what we often see on this site is people trying to serve two masters.
No matter wich product you end up useing you will be better off then 99.9% of the motoring public! Both will keep your engine clean or clean it out. Each product has it's strong points and weak points.
Personely I think of LC as a preventive kind of like diet,exercise and vitamins.Diet,exercise and vitamins help you stay healthy to prevent infections. I think of ARX like anti-biotics. You would not take anti-biotics 365 days a year as a preventive measure against getting an infection.Once you have an infection though it would be silly to try and treat it with anything but anti-biotics.
If both products did not works so darn well I do not think we would see the division we see with these two products. Imagine how hard it must be for the site owner. He has two great products that work great, are simalar in what they can do, that are both sponsors. That would be like have a race car that had two simalar sponsor like say Coke and Pepsi. How would you ever do them both justice?
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Oh, really. OK OK not being a smartcracker - have we seen this, scientifically, photos, the whole bit?
I have a new Honda truck with the v6 VTEC engine. It only has a little more than 3000 miles on it and I just started using LC by adding it to the factory fill. The OLM is suppose to be rather sophisticated and the manual says to change oil only when it tells you to, or one year, whichever comes first. Because I only put a few miles a day on the truck and it seldom really "warms up", I wanted to protect it as best I could and not depend on some arbitrary mileage/month kind of OCI, but rather go with the technology in the OLM.
My old habits however are hard to break, ie, 5000 mile OCI no matter what. I have learned that for my kind of driving, 5000 miles (about 7 or 8 months for me), is very hard on oil. I believe that by using LC in the oil (and FP in the gas) I will be able to keep the oxidation and other short trip/storage problems from starting. Also, the LC should allow me to go the long OCI of the OLM (most owners report the service due notice comes on between 5,000 and 7,000 miles, depending on driving habits).
Since the engine is new and clean, I am hoping this "preventative" medicine John spoke of will keep my Honda motor that way for a long time.
My old habits however are hard to break, ie, 5000 mile OCI no matter what. I have learned that for my kind of driving, 5000 miles (about 7 or 8 months for me), is very hard on oil. I believe that by using LC in the oil (and FP in the gas) I will be able to keep the oxidation and other short trip/storage problems from starting. Also, the LC should allow me to go the long OCI of the OLM (most owners report the service due notice comes on between 5,000 and 7,000 miles, depending on driving habits).
Since the engine is new and clean, I am hoping this "preventative" medicine John spoke of will keep my Honda motor that way for a long time.
Pablo, I had the top of the wifes engine apart to replace here upper and lower intake manifold. I also had the valve covers off to inspect. After doing Auto-Rx treatment on it two years prior to try and remove the varnish it was still their. After I replaced the gaskets and the upper and lower intake manifolds I tried MMO first to no avail to remove the varnish. Then about 6 months latter I tried LC and it got rid of the varnish fast. The first 500 miles the oil was full of varnish and by 1000 miles the heads and rockers were shiny and clean.
I did not take photo's becasue I did not expect to see this type of result. I was simply adding the LC as a preventive measure.
I did take photo's of the upper and lower intake manifolds and the valley area of the block. I have not developed them though. I guess the wife has about 15 rolls of film that need developing and my engine picks are not high on here list of prioriities. I do not have a scanner so even if I had them develped you would not be able to see them. To add to this I am not about to tear here into fresh gaskets to take after photo's of the wifes daily driver.
I do think though Pablo that if you read Terry's report on the testing he did on LC that my personel results fall right in line with his findings!
P.S. Maybe I can go to a local machine shop and get some varnished covered parts and just let them soak in LC. WOuld that be acceptable? If so I might make that a winter project?
I did not take photo's becasue I did not expect to see this type of result. I was simply adding the LC as a preventive measure.
I did take photo's of the upper and lower intake manifolds and the valley area of the block. I have not developed them though. I guess the wife has about 15 rolls of film that need developing and my engine picks are not high on here list of prioriities. I do not have a scanner so even if I had them develped you would not be able to see them. To add to this I am not about to tear here into fresh gaskets to take after photo's of the wifes daily driver.
I do think though Pablo that if you read Terry's report on the testing he did on LC that my personel results fall right in line with his findings!
P.S. Maybe I can go to a local machine shop and get some varnished covered parts and just let them soak in LC. WOuld that be acceptable? If so I might make that a winter project?
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