Why or why not Mercedes-Benz?

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I'd also test drive a BMW 135i or a 128i (w/ sports package) before you fully decide on an SLK...the 1-series might more of a "driver's car" and have more Miata-like characteristics than the SLK...

Just a thought.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Nothing inherently 'wrong' with the car, but it is a stretch to compare it to a Mazda!

They are light years apart. Both in engineering and execution.

But the typical Merc simply costs more per mile. More depreciation. More repairs and maintenance costs. More insurance.

if you want to play you got to be prepared to pay.

I didn't think I was way off comparing the two roadsters. They both have a 4 cylinder, both manual transmission transmission, and both have rear wheel drive. The main differences I am aware of is horsepower, weight, and turning radius. Can you or do you have the information to explain why you say they are light years apart in engineering and execution? That's something I would like to know.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
The main against argument is because you said it is out of your budget. ...


Actually I believe what he said was that the SLK350 was out of his budget, but the SLK250 was under consideration. (there is ~ $12,500 difference in base price)

I believe you will find that the SLK is a very different car from a Miata (or S2000). The SLK is more of a grand touring car than a sports car.

The SLK is available with a manual transmission now. The turbo 4 is new in the US at least, I'm not sure if it has been used in other markets, but it bears investigation.

A Mercedes Benz is a value decision. It is going to sound like a cop out answer, but go look at them. Feel the way the doors close. Feel the tactile feel of the switches. Look at the door hinges (and other parts). Take note of the way you are treated. Drive the car, note how it responds and rides. Decide what you like or don't like about those experiences and decide whether it is worth the price of admission TO YOU.


Thank you Duck. You've kind of hit on something. Saying that the SLK is more of a touring than a sports car gives me something to grasp. So, you would think the SLK just feels a bit heavier and more built for cruising mild twisty roads where something like a Miata would be beter for very tight twisty roads and is much lighter and sporty feeling?
When I am ready to make the purchase I will indeed drive and compare vehicles to make sure it's what I would want.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I've owned a couple of MBs - nothing newer than the '92 in my sig. I've driven several newer ones, including a few 2012 models (thank you Hertz!)

They are wonderfully engineered cars, better design, materials and execution than almost anything on the road. The cost of purchase is high, but it's a myth that the cost of parts is high, that really depends on the part. As an example, I bought a head gasket kit, which included seals, intake & exhaust manifold gaskets, and all of the several other gaskets needed for the job. I got it over the counter at the local MB dealer for about $100. That's not out of line with any other make.

But MB parts are where the company really shows how different it is: you can get parts for any MB ever made. Ever. Unlike every other car manufacturer out there, they will always have parts for your car.

So, if you're going to keep it forever (like some owners do), then MB is what you want...

So by saying this: "They are wonderfully engineered cars, better design, materials and execution than almost anything on the road". Can you elaborate further? What do you feel makes this statement valid. Not trying to be a pain here....but I am interested in a bit more detail and explanation. I've certainly heard what you are saying about MB....but being ignorant of the details can you tell me a bit more?
 
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I'd also test drive a BMW 135i or a 128i (w/ sports package) before you fully decide on an SLK...the 1-series might more of a "driver's car" and have more Miata-like characteristics than the SLK...

Just a thought.

Thank you. I have looked at that model. I think the look of the BMW in that series as a convertible just doesn't quite look right to me. A bit boxy and as a convertible it sort of looks like an afterthought. But...I will give them a second look to be sure.
 
Ah - I forgot you wanted a 'vert! I agree - I'd only consider the Hardtop of the 1-series - 'vert version looks a bit 'off'

The 'vert is a must, eh?
 
Originally Posted By: andrewg
... You've kind of hit on something. Saying that the SLK is more of a touring than a sports car gives me something to grasp. So, you would think the SLK just feels a bit heavier and more built for cruising mild twisty roads where something like a Miata would be beter for very tight twisty roads and is much lighter and sporty feeling?
When I am ready to make the purchase I will indeed drive and compare vehicles to make sure it's what I would want.


I have not driven the current generation of either car, I have driven a first year Miata and an SLK 230 (the supercharged one). I do believe the later Miata got softer and the later SLK got sportier, but yes I believe the MB will FEEL a bit heavier/slower and you just overall won't feel quite as "involved". There was a great deal of talk when the Miata came out about how they had engineered it to "sound right" and the "experience" things like that. The Mercedes will just do it without a whole lot of fuss. Short of a racetrack, drag strip or autocross course it will probably be just as fast, but you might not realize it. When you get finished you can put the top up and do a 800 mile trip at 85mph (obey your local laws
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) and it will be just like you did it in a coupe.

You might consider driving a Z4 if you find the MB a bit too "staid" for your taste, I would expect it to fall a bit further over on the "sporty" side. (in fact it used to have an option package that deleted all of the extras in the vein of a Camaro 1LE, not sure if it is still available that way)

I do have to agree that regular maintenance parts for a MB are not appreciably more costly than any other car. Every experience I've ever had at an MB dealer was outstanding.

The couple of times I took the 190 in for service, they treated me just as well as the guy with the new $100,000.00 car and although an oil change was pretty expensive they fixed a number of little things N/C. (unlike when I take my company truck into a dealer and they want extra to change bulbs and fix trim and so forth)

My dad has a C230Sport and has had similar experience.
 
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Ah - I forgot you wanted a 'vert! I agree - I'd only consider the Hardtop of the 1-series - 'vert version looks a bit 'off'

The 'vert is a must, eh?

Yes...I really enjoyed one before (Miata) and since the car will be for mostly nice weather, weekend drives....the top will be down for maximum enjoyment. Yes...the BMW 1 series is certainly a nice car, but in the convertible version I think it lacks the attractive lines of the hardtop and just doesn't quite look fitting.
 
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Ford still makes Mustang convertibles. Why not consider one?

Not trying to slight Ford....but I had a recent Mustang GT convertible. Very fast car....but it did not provide me with the joy or seat of the pants feel that the Miata or similar roadster may feel. I really just want a two seater as well. I have no family....just a girlfriend. We both enjoy weekend drives on twisty roads while touring various places we've never been. The Mustang just didn't have it. It felt bulky, too big, a tad clunky and unrefined.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
andrewg said:
... You've kind of hit on something. Saying that the SLK is more of a touring than a sports car gives me something to grasp. So, you would think the SLK just feels a bit heavier and more built for cruising mild twisty roads where something like a Miata would be beter for very tight twisty roads and is much lighter and sporty feeling?
When I am ready to make the purchase I will indeed drive and compare vehicles to make sure it's what I would want.

I have not driven the current generation of either car, I have driven a first year Miata and an SLK 230 (the supercharged one). I do believe the later Miata got softer and the later SLK got sportier, but yes I believe the MB will FEEL a bit heavier/slower and you just overall won't feel quite as "involved". There was a great deal of talk when the Miata came out about how they had engineered it to "sound right" and the "experience" things like that. The Mercedes will just do it without a whole lot of fuss. Short of a racetrack, drag strip or autocross course it will probably be just as fast, but you might not realize it. When you get finished you can put the top up and do a 800 mile trip at 85mph (obey your local laws
whistle.gif
) and it will be just like you did it in a coupe.

You might consider driving a Z4 if you find the MB a bit too "staid" for your taste, I would expect it to fall a bit further over on the "sporty" side. (in fact it used to have an option package that deleted all of the extras in the vein of a Camaro 1LE, not sure if it is still available that way)

I do have to agree that regular maintenance parts for a MB are not appreciably more costly than any other car. Every experience I've ever had at an MB dealer was outstanding.

The couple of times I took the 190 in for service, they treated me just as well as the guy with the new $100,000.00 car and although an oil change was pretty expensive they fixed a number of little things N/C. (unlike when I take my company truck into a dealer and they want extra to change bulbs and fix trim and so forth)

My dad has a C230Sport and has had similar experience.

Thanks...an informative post. I've thought and slightly considered the BMW Z4. Two things kind of caused me to pause. One is the price. It's a few grand more than the MB....and I'm not sure why or that it would be worth paying more. Secondly, I'm not quite attracted to the lines of the car. I've tried, trust me. The styling just doesn't do it for me. In black it seems to look a bit better....but there is just something about it that does not appeal to me.
I hear you about the SLK and putting the hardtop up. It could do just fine on a long trip that way and be just like a regular coup in noise/comfort. I will say however that it's lines aren't really as nice with the top up.
That's fantastic hearing about the service MB provides. I'm REAL big on being treated RIGHT. Nothing makes me more upset than poor service or a Walmart type employee. But on the flip side I certainly would not want to deal with a snob either....but from what you say they sound great.
 
I don't think Mercedes quality is what it once was. I know it slipped a lot in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I don't know how newer models are.

One of my friends has a 2006 C230 that's not really a very good car. It burns a lot of oil and has had a number of mechanical issues with less than 100K miles on it. I remember the alternator had to be removed from underneath the car and was not an easy task. That's not very good engineering when you consider most cars don't need an alternator before 100K and most cars do not require two hours to replace it. Nothing about the car is really all that great.

On the other hand, in high school one of my friends had a late 80s 300SD that was an absolute tank. The diesel engine ran beautifully and was pushing 300K miles. Everything on the car worked and the interior was close to perfect except for the wood (real wood) on the dash. The car was totalled when a Nissan Xterra plowed into the side, but was still drivable after the wreck.
 
Z4? Z4 can be okay, but is so specific to body size and type that it often needs to be modified for safety reasons before the first drive home for safety reasons. That can add a LOT to the cost and also make the car into a thing that is impractical to own for more than half a decade or so. Z4 is a car that requires the driver being just the right size and shape to fit the car. Plug in a driver who's just a little outside the mold and the car becomes a rolling road hazard worse than an Infiniti FX and almost as bad as the Buick LaCrosse.
 
We've owned four old Benzes (115, 2X 123 and 201) and they were uniformly very reliable and durable machines.
As others have noted, parts of any kind, including trim pieces, are readily available and reasonably priced.
Back in the day, these cars had a level of structural rigidity you simply didn't find in anything else.
Today, there are probably better made cars available for less money.
Still, if you really like the SLK, then why not?
Everyone should own at least one high end German car, if only to have had the experience and to decide whether they really are all that.
 
Porsche Boxster. A recent used one will be the best choice. They always win the magazine comparisons over the MB and BMW offerings.
Plenty out there to choose from. Would be an easy choice for me.
 
My mom owns a 98 SLK230. Its been garage kept its whole life and almost never seen rain the in the 50k we've owned it.

It has had numerous mechanical issues. I've driven it alot and found that it doesn't do anything particularly well....

Not a great performing, handling, straight line car. At 5'10 I'm not cramped but not comfortable.

I'm sure the new ones are much improved.

I'd opt for that new Subaru 2 door sports car. That thing is sweeet!
 
Originally Posted By: dja4260
My mom owns a 98 SLK230. Its been garage kept its whole life and almost never seen rain the in the 50k we've owned it.

It has had numerous mechanical issues. I've driven it alot and found that it doesn't do anything particularly well....

Not a great performing, handling, straight line car. At 5'10 I'm not cramped but not comfortable.

I'm sure the new ones are much improved.

I'd opt for that new Subaru 2 door sports car. That thing is sweeet!

I appreciate the response. That's a pretty old one. Compared to the last few years...especially the latest model, it's not really a good comparison for the new SLK. But your post does raise the question of MB quality (at least for 1998). I've not heard anything particularly negative about the new ones. Only positive.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Porsche Boxster.

+1

Boxster is out of my price range. Yes, very nice car. 255hp minimum. But a new base model starts at $48k and very quickly goes up from there. Even if I leased one I'd be looking at over $800 a month. A used one? I really don't want used. But even then, unless you go back to about 2008 and get a basic model they still go for about $37k. Too much for used and I wouldn't want an older car.
 
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder

The couple of times I took the 190 in for service, they treated me just as well as the guy with the new $100,000.00 car and although an oil change was pretty expensive they fixed a number of little things N/C. (unlike when I take my company truck into a dealer and they want extra to change bulbs and fix trim and so forth)

My dad has a C230Sport and has had similar experience.

Local MB dealers in Orange County, California are similar in treating their customers. Regardless if the car is a 20 years old 190 or a brand new S63 AMG.
 
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