Why have mobile payments not taken off in the US

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Originally Posted by Donald
Originally Posted by PimTac
Interesting article from CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/29/why-mobile-payments-have-barely-caught-on-in-the-us.html


Personally, I use Apple Pay whenever I can. It's quicker and more secure than a debit card. I only use cash for tips.



I pretty much never use my debit card that is attached to my main checking account.

Ditto. I've only used it for ATM, and rarely at that. I use a regular credit card for pretty much everything.
 
Originally Posted by Alfred_B

To recover your phone apps is a matter of an hour or so on a new phone. The data is stored on the cloud so it's all there already.

You simply brick the old phone as soon as it's connected to the internet.


Having data in the cloud gives a single attack point so Chinese Ryan May can buy all his favorite toys

Once your identity is stolen you will understand why the connected world is better for web forums rather than banking.

Current online security is akin to a million naked guys in the emperors new cloths, it only works
security via obscurity,
the only reason we don't descend into chaos is because card companies have become very good at identifying fraud and filter it.

There are more attempted fraudulent transactions every day than legitimate ones but thankfully they are filtered out.

This really is a [censored] poor way to manage economics and why I can't have a debit card, there is just too much fraud to risk liability.
 
Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by Alfred_B

To recover your phone apps is a matter of an hour or so on a new phone. The data is stored on the cloud so it's all there already.

You simply brick the old phone as soon as it's connected to the internet.


Having data in the cloud gives a single attack point so Chinese Ryan May can buy all his favorite toys

Once your identity is stolen you will understand why the connected world is better for web forums rather than banking.

Current online security is akin to a million naked guys in the emperors new cloths, it only works
security via obscurity,
the only reason we don't descend into chaos is because card companies have become very good at identifying fraud and filter it.

There are more attempted fraudulent transactions every day than legitimate ones but thankfully they are filtered out.

This really is a [censored] poor way to manage economics and why I can't have a debit card, there is just too much fraud to risk liability.


I am an old IBM mainframe guy a little older than COBOL. But if its involves money (like banking, stocks, insurance) it belongs on the mainframe, not the cloud.

Years ago the mainframe was dead and the in thing was client server. Or so they said. Now the in thing is cloud. Wait until there is ransomware on a few cloud sites.
 
Originally Posted by Fawteen

Wouldn't the same thing apply if you lose or break your phone? Wouldn't you be "SOL" until you get it all set up again?

Personally I don't even carry a smart phone. Don't have a use for one. I do carry a fair amount of cash, but I've never lost it nor have I ever been robbed. But then I don't go to places like Chicago with it's ultra high rates of violent crimes.


They give you a chip-only card also that has a randomized number every time you use it so the card number cannot be duplicated.
 
Anywhere there is money or the perception of money, there WILL be [censored] trying to to liberate others of it. Doesn't matter. Cash, cc, phone pay. Sure, the methods will change but the point remains. Every form of payment has a weakness that a criminal has already figured out how to circumvent. Phone based payments have the additional problem of physical loss or damage.

I tend to prefer cash when possible. Any time you're using electronic payments, then someone else's hand is going to be in the cookie jar and someone is going to have to eat that additional cost. It could be a vendor paying the fees or it could be me paying a marked up price for using electronic payments.
 
Originally Posted by Fawteen
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by Jetsfan421
Cash is king. Those debit cards make it too easy to spend carelessly. With cash you can physically see the money. And credit cards are about the worst thing ever invented. They are too easy to get and the interest is outrageous. Have fun with that 1.5% cash back when you gotta pay 30% interest on your purchase.


Cash sucks. Lose it on accident? SOL. Get robbed? SOL. I'll enjoy my 1-2% cash back and no interest because it's paid in full every month. The Apple Card also makes it incredibly easy what you're spending money on.


Wouldn't the same thing apply if you lose or break your phone? Wouldn't you be "SOL" until you get it all set up again?

Personally I don't even carry a smart phone. Don't have a use for one. I do carry a fair amount of cash, but I've never lost it nor have I ever been robbed. But then I don't go to places like Chicago with it's ultra high rates of violent crimes.


The great thing about my mobile payment options, I can also use the standard issue cards as well. If I lose my phone I can just brick it remotely, if it breaks I pay to fix it or buy a new one. I'm back up and running like nothing happened in no time. I keep a local backup on my computer, so no cloud backups.

As another poster said, Chicagoland is a huge area, easy to avoid trouble spots.

Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl



Europe has had negative interest rates on deposits for almost a decade. What are you going to do when that sort of thinking comes home to the good ol' US of A? Cash is about freedom and privacy, just ask the Swiss. They're big cash users.


I'll admit I had to look this up... basically the bank pays you interest on a loan instead of you paying interest, and you'd have a negative interest rate on savings? I'd naturally pull all my money out of savings, not paying the bank for the privilege of holding my money.
 
Most people are wearing smart watches these days, so you don't even take the phone out of your pocket, just hold your wrist over the machine for a second and you're done and out the door. Easy!
 
I think the costs of accepting payments this way and our legacy equipment keeps things status quo.

My sis in law uses a payment service to accept all kinds for her food truck. The payment companies delay paying them.
 
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I don't understand the derogatory comments about people owning smart phones. It's worth carrying around for the fact that it's a portable GPS with constantly updated locations. I also have apps for every store, so my member card is just a tap away from being scanned. My wife and I use the Alexa app to update our grocery list. I refresh it before I leave the grocery story, just to see if she's added anything and forgot to text me.

I feel like it's the luddites who refuse to change who can't see the benefit of a smart phone.

With that said, there are people who do nothing BUT have their face planted in their screen, oblivious to the world around them. I feel like these people are pretty much predestined to be like this anyway. You know, the person who might walk in front of a car because they're not paying attention, cause an accident on the road or nearly do so, etc., all because they're dumb, not very observant, have poor situational or spacial awareness, etc. Add a shiny object, like a smart phone, into the mix and that person's poor habits/capabilities are amplified, usually for the worse.

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I just started using Apple Pay a couple of weeks ago. I even ordered the card, though that was more for the novelty of it - I don't plan to carry it in my wallet ever.

What Apple Pay and the card do offer me is 2% cash-back where ever I use it, and this cash-back can be redeemed daily. That's very good. I wouldn't use either if it weren't for the 2% cash-back. I also use Apple Music and iCloud, which offer 3% cash-back.

As mentioned, I don't have to wait to redeem the cash-back. I see what I've earned very soon after each purchase and can transfer the earnings to my checking account whenever I want, unlike some cards, such as my Wells Fargo Cash Wise card, which requires redemption in $25 increments, which is annoying.

ALL of my cards, except the Apple Card, make me wait until the end of the month to see what I've earned and redeem my cash-back.

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Regarding PIN's and a bit of an off-topic response to an earlier post:

I use LastPass to maintain VERY complicated passwords for every single site. It auto-populates my passwords and I'm in (unless I have two-factor authentication enabled, such as for my bank account and cards). I also add my PINs and other important notes in there. All of this is encrypted. The benefit of having different, complicated passwords for every single site I visit, which I DON'T have to memorize, AND that my wife had access to all of this, in case something happens to me, is worth the potential that LastPass could get hacked.

LastPass (and others) can be shared across platforms (my wife and I use it on our laptops, the main PC and on our phones = every single password for every single site is always available). She could log into BITOG and post as me, if she wanted to, so, if I died and anyone here cared to know.

We just need to memorize one strong password.
 
I have the Apple Card as well. I got the physical card because some places don't take mobile payments yet.

The interesting things about the Apple Card are quick approval, ( mine was like five seconds), flexibility in making payments, ease of making payments and tracking of expenses. Security of course is a big benefit of the card.

I would rather board a plane, go into a subway platform or enter a business or other place using a mobile pass vs a card or keypad entry.
 
Originally Posted by gathermewool
Regarding PIN's and a bit of an off-topic response to an earlier post:

I use LastPass to maintain VERY complicated passwords for every single site. It auto-populates my passwords and I'm in (unless I have two-factor authentication enabled, such as for my bank account and cards). I also add my PINs and other important notes in there. All of this is encrypted. The benefit of having different, complicated passwords for every single site I visit, which I DON'T have to memorize, AND that my wife had access to all of this, in case something happens to me, is worth the potential that LastPass could get hacked.

LastPass (and others) can be shared across platforms (my wife and I use it on our laptops, the main PC and on our phones = every single password for every single site is always available). She could log into BITOG and post as me, if she wanted to, so, if I died and anyone here cared to know.

We just need to memorize one strong password.

What keeps them from getting hacked and getting all your passwords in one fell swoop?
 
Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by gathermewool
Regarding PIN's and a bit of an off-topic response to an earlier post:

I use LastPass to maintain VERY complicated passwords for every single site. It auto-populates my passwords and I'm in (unless I have two-factor authentication enabled, such as for my bank account and cards). I also add my PINs and other important notes in there. All of this is encrypted. The benefit of having different, complicated passwords for every single site I visit, which I DON'T have to memorize, AND that my wife had access to all of this, in case something happens to me, is worth the potential that LastPass could get hacked.

LastPass (and others) can be shared across platforms (my wife and I use it on our laptops, the main PC and on our phones = every single password for every single site is always available). She could log into BITOG and post as me, if she wanted to, so, if I died and anyone here cared to know.

We just need to memorize one strong password.

What keeps them from getting hacked and getting all your passwords in one fell swoop?


Services like that generally use 2 factor authentication.
 
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by gathermewool
Regarding PIN's and a bit of an off-topic response to an earlier post:

I use LastPass to maintain VERY complicated passwords for every single site. It auto-populates my passwords and I'm in (unless I have two-factor authentication enabled, such as for my bank account and cards). I also add my PINs and other important notes in there. All of this is encrypted. The benefit of having different, complicated passwords for every single site I visit, which I DON'T have to memorize, AND that my wife had access to all of this, in case something happens to me, is worth the potential that LastPass could get hacked.

LastPass (and others) can be shared across platforms (my wife and I use it on our laptops, the main PC and on our phones = every single password for every single site is always available). She could log into BITOG and post as me, if she wanted to, so, if I died and anyone here cared to know.

We just need to memorize one strong password.

What keeps them from getting hacked and getting all your passwords in one fell swoop?


Services like that generally use 2 factor authentication.

Ah, that makes sense.

That reminds me, MFA sometimes drives me bonkers--like when I have to approve logging into my computer (work laptop), and then have to the following day, and then I'll be fine for like two weeks. It's kinda random it seems... maybe that is by design. Anyhow, invariably I'll have left my phone in the other room and then it's a dash to go get it.
 
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