Why does oil need to be changed?

[jonny-b]

This is not common knowledge to any car mechanic, or others , interested in oil.

Synlube have some 13000(returning) customers in the US, and you should have heard from at least 10-20 of them when their engines blew off.
The strange thing is that their oil seem to perform, even though you say it does not. Most of you don't see the point in using their oil, even if it performs better than your present oil.

 

[SargeGTO]

Nice cut and paste learning experience. I want the last 20 minutes of my life back now please that I wasted on this thread.

 

[jonny-b]

If you used 20 minutes to read it, you should not only apply to get your last twenty minutes back, but also some years at school. They must have been somewhat wasted.

 

[SargeGTO]

LOL! If only you knew who you just said that too friend

Keep up the good work!

 

[jonny-b]

SageGTO, I didn't intend to offend you in any way, it just slipped out as a fast response to the use of 20 minutes.

Just admit it was a useful reading-lesson.

 

[SargeGTO]

No offense taken. After 30 years of marriage anybody insinuating I am ignorant is like water off a ducks back

Here are my thoughts....take em or leave em....
You betcha...the very idea of a better lube for our cars is something we all want, desire. The problem is there have been so many snake oils that credibility becomes an issue almost immediately. Then you throw in all the marketing hype posted here void of any real analytical data and you get skeptics. Of course a manufacturer is going to tell us their product is great. The web site looks like my grandson did it. No I take that back....he could do a better job.
Bottom line is this for me. They have been pimping SynLube in the United States since 1969.....and this how far they have gotten with it after almost 40 years? If it was even a fraction of what it is hyped to be any rational thinking person ( educated or uneducated) would conclude after 40 years and a company or technology is still in the "start up" mode....something is wrong.....with either the product or the folks running the business.
Well I'm gonna go rip all my degrees off the wall now.
Peace and good luck!

 

[SargeGTO]

In closing ( I promise) biodegradable oil that is made largely from renewable sources is very popular and been around for awhile....I would challenge you to compare the two. Which one would you utilize in your motor?
http://www.fuchs-oil.com/index.php?id=742&type=1

 

[Tempest]

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Labs also usually test oils that are Frequently Changed, therefore oil that remain in the engine for over 10,000 miles will have much higher reading than oil that is changed every 3,000 miles.

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I thought oil didn't get dirt?

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SynLube™ however due to unique chemical formulation has typically 50 PPM in the INITIAL FILL OIL and about 75 PPM in the ADD OIL of Iron, because some of the ""sacrificial"" antioxidants contain Fe atoms in their chemical molecular make up.

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I would love to hear what the formulators here have to say about this. And since this is "Lube for life", why are they using sacrifical additives?

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silicone levels in 200 to 250 PPM are NORMAL for the formulations and can be as high as 500 PPM for ATF or PSF.

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Not based on the UOA/VOA's on this site.

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TBN is generally ONLY concern in some Diesel Engines that have sensitivity to oil which turns acidic.

TBN is not relevant in Gasoline fueled engines that utilize Unleaded Gasoline.

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And I though this was lube for life? Why the additive if TBN means nothing?

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we can either perform any requested or required oil analysis for our customers, or properly interpret results that are obtained from independent oil test laboratories.

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Oh, yes...the seller is ALWAYS the best person to get results from...

 

[jonny-b]

SargeGTO, I know that there have been a lot of snake oils that have been sold. The "problem" is that americans are so #@$%! good to market every product(I mean it positive). However, this can make consumers to buy products they normally would have avoided. When consumers do this mistake several times, the "snake-oil light" comes on, also when there is a product that performs. Many examples can be mentioned. The first one, that I think of, is the VHS versus Betamax videosystems. Betamax was the best system, but VHS won, because of better marketing and understanding of the market.

Tempest, in this case, since it is a small company, the seller is also the developer and producer.

Another thing; if their products are just snake oil, why don't they invest more money in a trustworthy homepage?

That's the first place a "snake oil company" would invest their money.

Instead, it seem to me, as they have put a lot of effort in explaining how their products work.

 

[jonny-b]

Tempest, I think you will have problems getting results from anyone using Synlube. Except from the seller.
This is simply because of the reaction from several persons here, even though I only wanted to tell about a product that no one here at BITOG have any experience with.

I am also expecting to get the UOA from the lab, about the Motorsilk in my other car, tomorrow. I guess the results from that is not wanted here, either.

 

[Tempest]

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I am also expecting to get the UOA from the lab, about the Motorsilk in my other car, tomorrow. I guess the results from that is not wanted here, either.

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Actually, I am interest in seeing that UOA. The difference is that the lab you get your results from is not the manufacturer of the oil or additive.

As far as Synlube, you are not addressing ANY of the technical issues that are being raised. Why would you expect someone to agree with your argument?

 

[bruce381]

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SynLube™ however due to unique chemical formulation has typically 50 PPM in the INITIAL FILL OIL and about 75 PPM in the ADD OIL of Iron, because some of the ""sacrificial"" antioxidants contain Fe atoms in their chemical molecular make up.



None that I know off most, could also be from the moly or graphite when ground in a steel BALL MILL.
bruce

 

[Lonnie]

If synlube worked we might expect to see, in the time span of over 30 year, another similar product out there, too. We do not live in a vacuum and good products are copied to some degree or other. 5w-30 oil can be considered a success because so many oil companies offer it. I'll bet that most of the formulas are so close that it would be impossible to do a blind recognition test by even the most high tech lab. There have been some severe lubrication problems in the industry where a product is designed, tooled up for and in production. If there was a lubrication solution and synlube was better it would be an oem product. And this web site is lacking in substance. It's a marketing fluff piece with just enough tech jargon to attract a gear head. Putting that product into this forum is like dropping a cat in the dog pound. This is not a place to market something without some good tech answers and actual evidence.

 

[jonny-b]

I only have two questions for all of you. I believe you are wrong in your assumptions about Synlube, untill you have answered them, but try to prove it :

Question 1: Why did NASA start using their products?

Question 2: Why can't we find some users that had their engines ruined by Synlube, even though they have sold their oil since the seventies and several users have been using it without changing their oil?

Should be easy for you to find several users out there, shouldn't it?
Of course, it will be hard, if you are wrong.

This should be easy for you, Lonnie, Bruce381, Tempest and SargeGTO.

 

[SargeGTO]

Dont have to do anything pal. I'm not the one pimping this stuff.

 

[JAG]

1. Heck if I know. NASA forget to think about the need for an astronaut to have to wee-woo and poo. They told him to go in his pants when the astronaut asked them what he was supposed to do.

2. I can't find anyone using SYnlube except you. You are right, I can't find anyone using it with a blown up engine.

 

[Tempest]

#1: Proof, documentation? Application? Change interval?

#2: Budman had sludge/gel in his engine after way less than 50K. He was a big supporter of this stuff over several years. He has no motivation to lie about his negative experience.
Ya' got come up with some better questions.

Where's the UOA with the Motorsilk?

 

[jonny-b]

It is on my computer.

The Alu was down from 39ppm to 16ppm.
This was the main difference. Will report more accurate when I have the time.

 

[4esorselrahc]

Synlube just sounds to good to be true. Plus there's no 5W-20. However, there is some very interesting information on that site.

 

[Curious Kid]

I'll admit I'm frugal with my money and naturally questioning the value of just about everything, least I say neccessity of it. I've lived and learned from past "mistakes" as I am only able to see them as such in hindsight, but I've had to make those experiences to get where I am today, as has everyone else.

I have come to understand that the truth stands by itself, where lies require more lies to support them - not that I'm saying anyone is not speaking the truth here as they know it. Everyone has different backgrounds, but may share common points of experiences, however interpreted differently.

If anyone would honestly try to change peoples minds/opinions, etc, then one should just lay the cards out on the table - no bluffs or psychobable, just the test data and measurements. One need not present any further the buzz of the product's make-up and credits of the designer's background - there will always be over-qualified individuals at their work, but then again that's only relative to the remaining work force and measureable education that may or may not be thought of any value or usefulness as I see it. Intellignece is relative. Some could say that others can be so smart that they're stupid - living behaviors observed as being so different, though in the end perfection exists as they both exist. One of the two individuals however if having made such a statement, may have done so in reflection of their own insecurities. Which oddly enough brings me back to how one can be a skeptic. It's like a survival response, as is fear that people experience every day as of which helps them to make decisions. We are said to be emotional beings after all, and sadly marketing/advertising groups seem to focus on this and aim at intended consumer group(s) where it counts, as though it were foreplay. Being skeptical, I'm not sure I'd be getting much out of it, while I do on the other hand know first hand what it took to get what must come first in exchange for any product or service offered- $$$.

No hard feelings or disrespect meant towards anyone.

Take care.