Why does conventional oil still exist?

[79sunrunner]

Some people like the distortions and scratching sounds from the record players.

We conventional fans love the scratches and added wear from Dino juice. It brings us back in time when carbs were king, and so was Elvis.

 

[Merkava_4]

I've switched to full synthetic because I've heard people say it's less likely to cause sludge and varnish. It's mainly the varnish that I'm afraid of because I change my oil way too often to worry about sludge. From what I gather, synthetic is conventional oil that's been processed further to make the molecules more uniform in size; meaning: they're like having a bunch of ball bearings close to being the same size as opposed to the sizes being all different. Now of course, the perfect synthetic oil would have all the molecules the exact same size and shape; we're not there yet.

 

[Garak]

What size and shape would you prefer, Merk?

 

[eljefino]

I've noticed in only about the last five years they finally came up with the name, "conventional oil". (Bitog used to call it dino but we've jumped onboard as well.) Finding its marketing niche is a step in the direction of its obsolescence, or, rather, suggesting that conv vs syn is an even choice. 15 years back syn was marketed as for extreme/ racing conditions but now it's sold mainstream.

 

[Merkava_4]

Originally Posted By: Garak
What size and shape would you prefer, Merk?


I'll let Shanna Simmons from Pennzoil determine that.

 

[Eosyn]

So, conventional oil still exist because there still is a market for it due to the following:

• it's decent oil
• cost less
• some people still perform shorter OCIs

Some say modern conventional oil, technically, is at least a synthetic blend therefore true conventional is fading out or have faded out.

Those are all interesting answers and this thread was an interesting study. Thank you.

 

[Eosyn]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
CDs haven't "killed off" the LP.

You still have and play LPs? Wow, those gadgets are worth a nice penny now, I bet. I found a stash of "chrome" cassettes that I recorded on back in the 80s the other day but, unfortunately, no player to play them in.

 

[2civics]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: Garak
What size and shape would you prefer, Merk?


I'll let Shanna Simmons from Pennzoil determine that.

Meh... too much with the long hair and long earrings already. I think Pennzoil dresses her.

 

[toneydoc]

Simple answer is that people keep buying it. Period.

The quick lube shops buy it in bulk and sell it for a profit 5 quarts at a time.

All the auto part stores advertise it on the front page of their monthly ads, couple it with a filter, and sell it in the way of a special and many people buy it. If they did not sell it, they would not put it on the front page.

And many people in this country do not have a bunch of money to spare/spend on synthetic oil. They buy the cheapest oil they can and put it in their car.

And thank goodness the dino oils have gotten better. I still use them myself. In my Jeep and in the Harley. In my OPE too. They still work and do it well. Thank goodness

And yes, I do try to buy them when AZ has them on blowout for $1 a quart. When I find it that way, I buy a bunch of it and store it up for later. Thank you AZ

I almost forgot that my Jeep now has in it some AZ full synthetic oil I got for $1 a quart back in the winter. At that price the full syn is really hard to pass up and I didn't pass it up

 

[Dallas69]

I have a cassette player in my truck.
I play tapes I made from the 80s.
Mostly music from 60s 70s 80s
Great stuff

 

[Joel_MD]

When was the last time we saw a UOA from a conventional motor oil that indicated it was worn out?

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: macarose
Conventional oil works perfectly fine for the overwhelming majority of engines on today's roads.

That's not the issue for today's DIY car owners. The enduring issue seems to be that precious few companies are willing to offer and broadly market synthetic oils and filters that are guaranteed to last a full year or at least 15,000 miles.

When we cross that threshold, which should have been done ages ago, then I will be one happy car owner.
How is it the oil companies' job to set OCI?

 

[WiskyBadger]

Originally Posted By: 79sunrunner
Some people like the distortions and scratching sounds from the record players.

We conventional fans love the scratches and added wear from Dino juice. It brings us back in time when carbs were king, and so was Elvis.
long live the carburetor!

 

[TFB1]

Originally Posted By: ChevyBadger
Originally Posted By: 79sunrunner
Some people like the distortions and scratching sounds from the record players.

We conventional fans love the scratches and added wear from Dino juice. It brings us back in time when carbs were king, and so was Elvis.


long live the carburetor!


Yeah meyybe one of these days the plans for the 100mpg carb that were bought by the big oil companies will resurface... Gotta be better than the computer controlled fuel injection we're using now...

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: Joel_MD
When was the last time we saw a UOA from a conventional motor oil that indicated it was worn out?
This UOA might be the closest to worn out, but after 10K, I would expect it to be.

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Joel_MD
When was the last time we saw a UOA from a conventional motor oil that indicated it was worn out?
This UOA might be the closest to worn out, but after 10K, I would expect it to be.

I would be more worried about the things you cant see in an UOA like deposit formation as you get to the end of a very long OCI with a conventional oil.

 

[zach1900]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: Joel_MD
When was the last time we saw a UOA from a conventional motor oil that indicated it was worn out?
This UOA might be the closest to worn out, but after 10K, I would expect it to be.

I would be more worried about the things you cant see in an UOA like deposit formation as you get to the end of a very long OCI with a conventional oil.

Yes because synthetic didn't come from the ground. Lol

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
I would be more worried about the things you cant see in an UOA like deposit formation as you get to the end of a very long OCI with a conventional oil.


Some engines seem to keep oil flowing too slow or something up in the rings. Toyota engines are currently famous for that, after many miles though usually. Sometimes its ez to fix when you notice oil consumption jumping up, and you dump in Kreen, Gumout Multi, Seafoam, MMO etc. in there to get the rings freed. One could just run conventional oil, monitor closely for the first sign of rings sticking (if it happens), and pour in temporary solvents in there to fix it.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
I've switched to full synthetic because I've heard people say it's less likely to cause sludge and varnish. It's mainly the varnish that I'm afraid of because I change my oil way too often to worry about sludge. From what I gather, synthetic is conventional oil that's been processed further to make the molecules more uniform in size; meaning: they're like having a bunch of ball bearings close to being the same size as opposed to the sizes being all different. Now of course, the perfect synthetic oil would have all the molecules the exact same size and shape; we're not there yet.




Nope.

In fact the varying molecule size is actually better because modern machining techniques don't create a perfectly flat surface. Under magnification there are hills and valleys on machined surfaces,so 1 single molecule size doesn't fill all the voids which translates to less effective lubrication.
However if the molecules are varying in size larger ones will fill larger valleys and the smaller ones fit into the smaller valleys.
So Sorry merk. Your wrong on this one.
Regardless of what the advertising claims and what those pretty(useless) pictures show.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: zach1900
Yes because synthetic didn't come from the ground. Lol


Where did it come from?