Who makes Mobil 1 filters now ?

[Glenda W.]

M+H has been consolidating all their brands for about a decade now. I’ve seen mix and match parts between all their filter lines. Wix is a good example, nothing is left from the original design.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Contact PGI here. Start a filter business!

https://premiumguard.com/solutions/private-label/

Bring lots of .

 

[ZeeOSix]

Contact PGI here. Start a filter business!

https://premiumguard.com/solutions/private-label/

And this is exactly what I was talking about above how the customer would work with the parent manufacturing engineering dept to specify exactly what the filters should be made to. No need to "supply" your own media or other materials. Sit down, spec it out, do some ISO validation testing (most likely part of the whole process if it's different than an already "canned" PG design), then start making them in the factory for consumer sales.

 

[Alien]

You don't think that Mobil sourced the media, and then outsource the manufacturing to M+H? If not, why do the specs differ between the Mobil product and comparable M+H products? Do you know for a fact that this is really an M+H product in all respects for which M+H is only renting the Mobil logo sticker copyright and trademark from Mobil? That would be an interesting insight. If so, what is your source for that information?

Similarly, is Premium Guard just a logo sticker copyright and trademark rental company for Vietnam Advanced Filtration? Amsoil a logo sticker copyright and trademark rental company for Fram? Or are these elite brands actual product companies that are doing their own investment, sourcing, research, development, marketing, distribution, etc. and just outsourcing the manufacturing?

I am sure that there are readers on BITOG who understand my questions and know at least some of the answers. Please speak up.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Similarly, is Premium Guard just a logo sticker copyright and trademark rental company for Vietnam Advanced Filtration? Amsoil a logo sticker copyright and trademark rental company for Fram?

Nobody "understands" this, because it doesn't make any sense how you've viewed it. It's been explained how it really works. The example of anyone hiring PGI to make oil filters for them under whatever brand should give a clue.

 

[Alien]

AMSOIL no longer sources the Donaldson media for the EaO, they are a product wholly produced by Champ now, the same as the RP. It's doubtful that any of them are any different in construction at this point.

Did you notice that the New Motorcraft FL2052S has media the looks at least somewhat like Fleetguard's Stratapore:

 

[ZeeOSix]

That's not a "New" model of the Motorcraft FL2052S filter ... it's a "new" old filter in a box. Look at the date code: Made on Feb 10, 2017. Basically 8 years old.

 

[BISCUT]

This is a rock catcher. It is good at catching pretty small rocks and chunks of metal from my experience. From a 1500cc VW Beetle:
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The oil filters being regularly labeled "rock catchers" on BITOG are nothing like this. On BITOG the term is being used by some as a derogatory name for some oil filters, which I think violates the rules of this forum.

Mod's are efficient here; I'm sure they'll le you know.

 

[OVERKILL]

Did you notice that the New Motorcraft FL2052S has media the looks at least somewhat like Fleetguard's Stratapore:

Are you referring to it having the dots all over it? Given that it's a synthetic topper on what appears to be cellulose or a cellulose blend, it's more like the updated FRAM Ultra than the Stratapore, which is straight multi-layered synthetic.

 

[Alien]

Are you referring to it having the dots all over it? Given that it's a synthetic topper on what appears to be cellulose or a cellulose blend, it's more like the updated FRAM Ultra than the Stratapore, which is straight multi-layered synthetic.

Yes. Thanks!

 

[bullwinkle]

I'm sure all the low efficiency oil filters will need counseling for being labeled "rock catchers"! They all have hurt feelings... And the Mann & Hummel ones have torn pleats... It's an expression, not the OG Ultras, FG Stratapores, & Amsoil/RP/Fram Endurances being bullies!

 

[Glenda W.]

Nothing scientific but here is the Mobil 1 media vs Purolator Pureone. IMO pretty darn similar. Both 99%@30 microns.

 

[MParr]

Did you notice that the New Motorcraft FL2052S has media the looks at least somewhat like Fleetguard's Stratapore:

That's definitely a Purolator.

 

[Alien]

Nothing scientific but here is the Mobil 1 media vs Purolator Pureone. IMO pretty darn similar. Both 99%@30 microns.





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On this spec sheet it shows the M1 having 99%@50u and 50%@20u. That is why I concluded that the two filters employ different media:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/used-oil-analysis-how-to-decide-what-is-normal/

 

[cheesepuffs2]

The longer the OCI, the more beneficial a higher efficiency filter will be. If oil was changed every 1000 miles, the filter wouldn't need to be very efficient - ie, a "rock catcher" would do. If someone is running 10,000+ OCIs, a higher efficiency filter is going to be more beneficial by keeping the oil cleaner over that long OCI.

But that goes against real-world practice. Filters geared toward extended intervals, say the Wix XP for instance, have worse starting efficiency than their "regular" filter of the same brand, to essentially leave room for more contaminants and not load the filter to where it may bypass. Running an ultra-high efficiency oil filter with long intervals isn't the way the industry has gone, it's the opposite.

 

[Alien]

But that goes against real-world practice. Filters geared toward extended intervals, say the Wix XP for instance, have worse starting efficiency than their "regular" filter of the same brand, to essentially leave room for more contaminants and not load the filter to where it may bypass. Running an ultra-high efficiency oil filter with long intervals isn't the way the industry has gone, it's the opposite.

In support of these statements, here is a Jim Allen quote on BITOG some years ago:

"I just got off the phone with an engineering contact at a well-known corporation known for filtration. His specialty is engine oil filtration and I can only repeat what he said if he stays anonymous ... 'Here in the USA, we tend to engineer for higher filter efficiency and a shorter OCI, knowing the filter will be changed before the bypass events become excessive. In Europe, they prefer fewer potential bypass events, so generally have less efficiency, and longer OCIs. They also run higher viscosities. Lower efficiencies are an aid in preventing bypasses.'"

 

[BrendanC]

But that goes against real-world practice. Filters geared toward extended intervals, say the Wix XP for instance, have worse starting efficiency than their "regular" filter of the same brand, to essentially leave room for more contaminants and not load the filter to where it may bypass. Running an ultra-high efficiency oil filter with long intervals isn't the way the industry has gone, it's the opposite.

the OG ultra had both a high holding capacity and high efficiency. the wix XP has no excuse to be that poor in efficiency

 

[thastinger]

Would it be reasonable to trust Motorcraft at this point? I am about to do the first oil change on our Expedition.

You'll be just fine with a MC filter. Does that engine take an 820 or a 500?

 

[OVERKILL]

But that goes against real-world practice. Filters geared toward extended intervals, say the Wix XP for instance, have worse starting efficiency than their "regular" filter of the same brand, to essentially leave room for more contaminants and not load the filter to where it may bypass. Running an ultra-high efficiency oil filter with long intervals isn't the way the industry has gone, it's the opposite.

The Wix XP is the only example of that, so I'd say the Wix XP is what goes against the real-world practice.

FRAM Ultra - High efficiency, high holding capacity
Donaldson Blue (Synteq) - High efficiency, high holding capacity
Fleetguard Stratapore/Nanonet - High efficiency, high holding capacity
AMSOIL EaO - High efficiency, high holding capacity
Royal Purple - High efficiency, high holding capacity

The only other partial exception might be the Purolator BOSS, just because it's not "great", but the Purolator One is also an extended interval filter and it (and its predecessor the PureONE) have historically had high efficiency and holding capacity.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

The Wix XP is the only example of that, so I'd say the Wix XP is what goes against the real-world practice.

None of the other M+H filters follow the same philosophy?