I just buy vintage pre-Gold National Matches. Very nice pistols.
which brand 1911????
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Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power? If what you are after is not the classical, SAR / EAA has a nice 45. K2, the magazine takes 14 rds.
The price is competitive too.
That looks somewhat like a CZ-75
That gun is a cross between a Sig 226 and a CZ-75 and then chambered in .45 Acp with a 14 round magazine. Its really too bad a high quality American gun manufacturer didn't make that gun.
Wow what an awesome piece that would be!
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power? If what you are after is not the classical, SAR / EAA has a nice 45. K2, the magazine takes 14 rds.
The price is competitive too.
That looks somewhat like a CZ-75
That gun is a cross between a Sig 226 and a CZ-75 and then chambered in .45 Acp with a 14 round magazine. Its really too bad a high quality American gun manufacturer didn't make that gun.
Wow what an awesome piece that would be!
I have been looking at a Sig P227 in 45 acp....very nice
Originally Posted By: AMC
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power? If what you are after is not the classical, SAR / EAA has a nice 45. K2, the magazine takes 14 rds.
The price is competitive too.
That looks somewhat like a CZ-75
That gun is a cross between a Sig 226 and a CZ-75 and then chambered in .45 Acp with a 14 round magazine. Its really too bad a high quality American gun manufacturer didn't make that gun.
Wow what an awesome piece that would be!
That would be, at an exorbitant price.
But the gun is made by a very very high quality Turkish manufacturer. That is how we can afford it.
Originally Posted By: xxch4osxx
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power? If what you are after is not the classical, SAR / EAA has a nice 45. K2, the magazine takes 14 rds.
The price is competitive too.
That looks somewhat like a CZ-75
That gun is a cross between a Sig 226 and a CZ-75 and then chambered in .45 Acp with a 14 round magazine. Its really too bad a high quality American gun manufacturer didn't make that gun.
Wow what an awesome piece that would be!
That would be, at an exorbitant price.
But the gun is made by a very very high quality Turkish manufacturer. That is how we can afford it.
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power?
45MM handgun? Wow, you could take out a tank with that howitzer. 1.77 inch bullets.
It is for real men.
Would be nice/interesting to have such a gun with 1.77 inch bullets. 14 round magazines.
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power?
45MM handgun? Wow, you could take out a tank with that howitzer. 1.77 inch bullets.
It is for real men.
Would be nice/interesting to have such a gun with 1.77 inch bullets. 14 round magazines.
Good God. All of this over a typo?
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power?
45MM handgun? Wow, you could take out a tank with that howitzer. 1.77 inch bullets.
It is for real men.
Would be nice/interesting to have such a gun with 1.77 inch bullets. 14 round magazines.
I imagine it would indeed be a wrist breaker.
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: kozanoglu
You want 1911 for the classical look or for 45 mm power?
45MM handgun? Wow, you could take out a tank with that howitzer. 1.77 inch bullets.
It is for real men.
Would be nice/interesting to have such a gun with 1.77 inch bullets. 14 round magazines.
I imagine it would indeed be a wrist breaker.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Good God. All of this over a typo?
Would you expect any less from this forum?
Good God. All of this over a typo?
Would you expect any less from this forum?
Well I ended up getting a SAR K2P 9mm. With all the reviews I have seen and under $300 I couldn't pass it up.
I've done a lot of research, and have decided on a Dan Wesson Heritage (their entry-level model).
As mentioned above, the DWs have forged frames, no MIM parts, and fit & finish is as close as you can get to a custom 1911 like Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Les Baer or Nighthawk, to name the big 4, while still being a production gun.
I also like the minimalist look of the Heritage - "everything you need and nothing you don't". No billboard on the slide, no forward slide serrations, etc.
Only thing is, since the slide to frame fit is so tight, the DW 1911s do require a specific break-in procedure. You're supposed to oil it with their oil before shooting, then break it down and clean and re-oil every 50 rds for the first few hundred rounds. Personally I don't have a problem with that, but some folks might.
The Dan Wesson Heritage is going for ~ $1050 on GunBroker right now. "Blem" models, which have some sort of cosmetic defect that is often hardly discernible, are selling for even less.
Only reason I don't have one yet is that i have a few other purchases I need to make first (new toolbox for work, new mountain bike, etc).
As mentioned above, the DWs have forged frames, no MIM parts, and fit & finish is as close as you can get to a custom 1911 like Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Les Baer or Nighthawk, to name the big 4, while still being a production gun.
I also like the minimalist look of the Heritage - "everything you need and nothing you don't". No billboard on the slide, no forward slide serrations, etc.
Only thing is, since the slide to frame fit is so tight, the DW 1911s do require a specific break-in procedure. You're supposed to oil it with their oil before shooting, then break it down and clean and re-oil every 50 rds for the first few hundred rounds. Personally I don't have a problem with that, but some folks might.
The Dan Wesson Heritage is going for ~ $1050 on GunBroker right now. "Blem" models, which have some sort of cosmetic defect that is often hardly discernible, are selling for even less.
Only reason I don't have one yet is that i have a few other purchases I need to make first (new toolbox for work, new mountain bike, etc).
Who, (if anyone), here has had an MIM part fail in a 1911, or any other gun for that matter?
Originally Posted By: billt460
Who, (if anyone), here has had an MIM part fail in a 1911, or any other gun for that matter?
I'm interested in the answer to your question also. But the point, to me, is not whether MIM is as good as forged, or whether anyone has had a failure.
Rather, the point is that top manufacturers like the ones I mentioned "go the extra mile" to build their guns with the highest quality materials for the money.
Gives you that extra pride of ownership, knowing it's an heirloom-quality piece that you can pass down to your son or daughter, and they can pass down to their kid as well.
With the Dan Wesson, it's about value. You can easily spend more than what a DW Heritage costs, and end up with a gun that has inferior parts.
Who, (if anyone), here has had an MIM part fail in a 1911, or any other gun for that matter?
I'm interested in the answer to your question also. But the point, to me, is not whether MIM is as good as forged, or whether anyone has had a failure.
Rather, the point is that top manufacturers like the ones I mentioned "go the extra mile" to build their guns with the highest quality materials for the money.
Gives you that extra pride of ownership, knowing it's an heirloom-quality piece that you can pass down to your son or daughter, and they can pass down to their kid as well.
With the Dan Wesson, it's about value. You can easily spend more than what a DW Heritage costs, and end up with a gun that has inferior parts.
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
You can easily spend more than what a DW Heritage costs, and end up with a gun that has inferior parts.
What exactly constitutes "inferior" parts? I don't think with todays modern manufacturing techniques, MIM is inferior. They use MIM parts in turbine engines on modern passenger jets.
You can easily spend more than what a DW Heritage costs, and end up with a gun that has inferior parts.
What exactly constitutes "inferior" parts? I don't think with todays modern manufacturing techniques, MIM is inferior. They use MIM parts in turbine engines on modern passenger jets.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
You can easily spend more than what a DW Heritage costs, and end up with a gun that has inferior parts.
What exactly constitutes "inferior" parts? I don't think with todays modern manufacturing techniques, MIM is inferior. They use MIM parts in turbine engines on modern passenger jets.
Actually it is inferior. It is not as dense or as strong as a forged part. It's pointless to argue this.
A forged part will have longer MTBF than a cast or molded part.
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
You can easily spend more than what a DW Heritage costs, and end up with a gun that has inferior parts.
What exactly constitutes "inferior" parts? I don't think with todays modern manufacturing techniques, MIM is inferior. They use MIM parts in turbine engines on modern passenger jets.
Actually it is inferior. It is not as dense or as strong as a forged part. It's pointless to argue this.
A forged part will have longer MTBF than a cast or molded part.
Check out this video on the Dan Wesson Heritage.
He Details the precision of the slide to frame fit of the gun, then disassembles it fully to show the quality of the parts:
http://youtu.be/krjPZ0IXZQE
He Details the precision of the slide to frame fit of the gun, then disassembles it fully to show the quality of the parts:
http://youtu.be/krjPZ0IXZQE
It is not that the MIM parts are not adequate to the task, but it is that forged is better. Same with cast frames vs forged(as long as the steel is good. There have been forged 1911 colts made with soft forged steel)
You just have to decide if the cost of better materials is worth it to you and your budget.
You just have to decide if the cost of better materials is worth it to you and your budget.
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If I didn't have my heart set on a Dan Wesson, I'd buy a Colt for sure
Hmm... Maybe I SHOULD get a Colt, especially in light of the current situation at Colt.
But I almost certainly couldn't get as much gun for the $$$ with Colt. Instead, I'd be paying for the name.
But I almost certainly couldn't get as much gun for the $$$ with Colt. Instead, I'd be paying for the name.
Originally Posted By: john_pifer
Hmm... Maybe I SHOULD get a Colt, especially in light of the current situation at Colt.
But I almost certainly couldn't get as much gun for the $$$ with Colt. Instead, I'd be paying for the name.
Colt released a statement stating that production would continue despite the filing and that it is pretty much business as usual as far as availability of products. However, just about any Colt will likely appreciate in value, but if you get a Colt for an investment it is best to keep it a safe queen.
Hmm... Maybe I SHOULD get a Colt, especially in light of the current situation at Colt.
But I almost certainly couldn't get as much gun for the $$$ with Colt. Instead, I'd be paying for the name.
Colt released a statement stating that production would continue despite the filing and that it is pretty much business as usual as far as availability of products. However, just about any Colt will likely appreciate in value, but if you get a Colt for an investment it is best to keep it a safe queen.
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