Where Is The Ammunition?

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Better shoot them in the eye or you're just going to p___ them off. I wouldn't want to have use deadly force but, if I did I wouldn't want to use anything less than 9mm and then I'd want a couple well placed shots. There are too many people hopped up drugs, etc. that will keep fighting if you don't get in a disabling shot.

We have constitutional carry too but, it doesn't apply to being in a vehicle. In that case it has to be in a factory installed compartment such as glove box, console, or seat/door pouch. We just got constitutional carry a few years ago and they failed to include revisions to the previous laws on possession while in the car. Only way you can carry on your body in a car here is with CCW permit. I keep a 9mm 17+1 handy when I'm home and my carry gun is 9mm 8+1 both loaded with hollow points. I feel much safer at 1000+ FPS.
Get hit in the back at 30 feet. It makes me think of the 70's Toyota ad, "Oh what a feeling!" Seriously they are not regulated at all in my area either.
 
Get hit in the back at 30 feet. It makes me think of the 70's Toyota ad, "Oh what a feeling!" Seriously they are not regulated at all in my area either.
I don't don't doubt that it hurts but once it hits it's already dumped most of it's energy. I've read of assailants taking several shots from high caliber gun fire and continuing their fight until they lost enough blood to incapacitate them.

Here's a calculator for determining the energy expelled by different weight projectiles at different velocities. https://www.pyramydair.com/article/What_is_Muzzle_Energy_August_2003/5 I think a BB weights approximately 5gr. My 9mm hollow points are 124gr. I think they have a published muzzle velocity of approximately 1100 FPS and may be closer to 1000 FPS out of a pistol length barrel.
 
I bought a .380 semi(it was the only affordable to me in stock semi at Bass Pro at the time) when this covid thing really took off probably April or so.
Even then ammo was hard to come by.
But being a less popular caliber I was able to find some on the web and one day at Bass Pro Shops enough to have a 400 round stash.
I live in the Denver area but in an unincorporated part of the county so there is no formal police department instead we rely on the county sheriff's.
And they are pretty good.
 
Having multiple calibers allows you some flexibility in what you shoot and during this, and previous, crises. I can find reasonably priced ammo right now for a .38 Super pistol, for an M1 carbine, and for a 7.5x55 (Swiss) rifle.

9mm is, of course, crazy, as is 5.56mm, 7.62, .45ACP, etc.
 
I don't don't doubt that it hurts but once it hits it's already dumped most of it's energy. I've read of assailants taking several shots from high caliber gun fire and continuing their fight until they lost enough blood to incapacitate them.

Here's a calculator for determining the energy expelled by different weight projectiles at different velocities. https://www.pyramydair.com/article/What_is_Muzzle_Energy_August_2003/5 I think a BB weights approximately 5gr. My 9mm hollow points are 124gr. I think they have a published muzzle velocity of approximately 1100 FPS and may be closer to 1000 FPS out of a pistol length barrel.
I agreen completely. My only point is the bb’s are better than nothing at all. l have it mainly for dogs when riding my bike. In my pocket there is an EAA Windicator for serious business.
 
I bought a .380 semi(it was the only affordable to me in stock semi at Bass Pro at the time) when this covid thing really took off probably April or so.
Even then ammo was hard to come by.
But being a less popular caliber I was able to find some on the web and one day at Bass Pro Shops enough to have a 400 round stash.
I live in the Denver area but in an unincorporated part of the county so there is no formal police department instead we rely on the county sheriff's.
And they are pretty good.
A lot of people will tell you that a .380 is weak. Don't listen to them. It does just fine in a home protection setting. Get some hollow point ammo for it, make sure that the gun cycles it as it should and you will be set.

Some guns are picky about ammo.
 
A lot of people will tell you that a .380 is weak. Don't listen to them. It does just fine in a home protection setting. Get some hollow point ammo for it, make sure that the gun cycles it as it should and you will be set.

Some guns are picky about ammo.
I watched a bunch of videos of people shooting various .380's and I am sure that at home defence close range the ammo will stop the bad person.
But hope I never find out.
One old guy expert shooter hit a 18x24 (?) metal target from 100 and 200 yards with a loud metal bang when it hit.
 
Growing up in Casper Wyoming you buy what you want when you want it. It's not hoarding it's being prepared. There will come a time when running to Walmart isn't a tangible thing. Probably now why I love Tonganoxie!! No Tyson or Walmart!!
Sort of off topic but just went through Wyoming including Casper. Ate at Sanford’s. No 9mm ammo was found at the store we stopped at. 22lr was available.
 
Online prices are worse than in store these days. I just got the Federal 525 brick of 22lr for $45 with tax & background fee. That’s in CA too.Some stores are not gouging as much as others.
I don't need any .22LR so I haven't checked the availability and price at the stores in my area. I was just wondering what the prices on .22 were doing so checked online. Most of mine was bought a couple years ago at anywhere from $11.79-$17.99/500. After Sandy Hook I know some people in this area were paying $75-$100. a brick. Luckily right before Sandy Hook I'd just restocked and had about 3 cases on hand that lasted me through the drought so when prices bottomed out again I restocked even heavier than before.
 
I don't need any .22LR so I haven't checked the availability and price at the stores in my area. I was just wondering what the prices on .22 were doing so checked online. Most of mine was bought a couple years ago at anywhere from $11.79-$17.99/500. After Sandy Hook I know some people in this area were paying $75-$100. a brick. Luckily right before Sandy Hook I'd just restocked and had about 3 cases on hand that lasted me through the drought so when prices bottomed out again I restocked even heavier than before.
Look forward for the return of those prices. Probably not for a couple years. Supply will eventually catch up.
 
A lot of people will tell you that a .380 is weak. Don't listen to them. It does just fine in a home protection setting. Get some hollow point ammo for it, make sure that the gun cycles it as it should and you will be set.

Some guns are picky about ammo.

From some of the ballistics testing videos I've watched, XTP did well in .380 because it didn't expand too much, and still had decent penetration. Some hollowpoints in .380, in the videos I've watched, especially those that are designed to expand a lot, didn't meet FBI penetration goals.

In a typical self-defense situation, at 10-15 feet, as long as the attacker wasn't wearing heavy winter clothing, .380 hollowpoints would probably be fine, as long as they were placed accurately.

I think regular, non-jacketed, flat-point lead bullets would probably be ideal with .380.
 
Look forward for the return of those prices. Probably not for a couple years. Supply will eventually catch up.
I agree. Going to be a while bc folks are determined they will not be caught with their pants down again. I am surprised that russia has not made up the shortage. Do they make .22's ?
 
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