I want a diesel truck, but don't want or need anything more than a half ton. 18/26 mpg sound about right? I heard something about Ford and GM having one in the works, but how about Dodge?
When are the half ton diesels coming?
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Ford apparently has a 4.4L based off one of their European diesels in the testing stage. It may become available around 2009 or so.
As for GM and Dodge, I have not heard anything. However, if Ford offers one, I am sure they will quickly do the same.
Nissan has apparently scrapped plans for a diesel Titan for the time being.
I guess you could always hunt down a 1/2 ton C/K1500 diesel. Those trucks can sell for as much as $15,000 with low miles.
As for GM and Dodge, I have not heard anything. However, if Ford offers one, I am sure they will quickly do the same.
Nissan has apparently scrapped plans for a diesel Titan for the time being.
I guess you could always hunt down a 1/2 ton C/K1500 diesel. Those trucks can sell for as much as $15,000 with low miles.
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likely never... toolish joe schmuck driver can't analyze anything, and has to have the highest horsepower numbers possible, else they can't feel superior.
Im not holding my breath.
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Im not holding my breath.
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I talked with a few owners of the older Dodges with the 12V Cummins, who can get 25mpg driving under on state roads. The best that I've heard is 28mpg, and low 20s isn't uncommon. I've hit 20 mpg a few times in my 2003 Dodge, and it seems that I might be able to do low 20s in a flat area driving under 65 mph.
Dodge makes a fancy, fast 1/2 ton, which is worth looking at for ideas on better aerodynamics that might be useful on the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Most seem to quickly put on MEGA BAJA HULK HOGAN SWAMP TIRES, and while the heavier trucks do need good tires for safe traction a very good light AT or heavy duty highway tire will often do fine and provide better mileage. The biggest area of opportunity is with tuning for better mileage, but it seems that everyone wants lots and lots of sometimes stupid horsepower levels with lots of black smoke.
Anyway, a carefully set up Dodge diesel might get you to at least low 20s, maybe better, and it would be no bigger than the 1/2 ton.
Dodge makes a fancy, fast 1/2 ton, which is worth looking at for ideas on better aerodynamics that might be useful on the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Most seem to quickly put on MEGA BAJA HULK HOGAN SWAMP TIRES, and while the heavier trucks do need good tires for safe traction a very good light AT or heavy duty highway tire will often do fine and provide better mileage. The biggest area of opportunity is with tuning for better mileage, but it seems that everyone wants lots and lots of sometimes stupid horsepower levels with lots of black smoke.
Anyway, a carefully set up Dodge diesel might get you to at least low 20s, maybe better, and it would be no bigger than the 1/2 ton.
The half ton that I'm wanting would have a diesel with less power than the 2500 or 3500 models. I want better mpg not 650 lb tq. MPG is what im after.
I would love to see Dodge offer a ram with the liberty's old diesel engine. That would be perfect.
We keep getting teased at auto shows etc with 1/2 ton diesels that are always "just over the horizon." A couple years ago it was the lack of ultra low sulfur diesel that they were blaming. 2007 was going to be the magic year when the fuel would be available and henceforth also the technology which presumably was sitting on the shelf waiting.
I figure these are "trial balloons" and response must not be as serious as they'd like.
It takes significantly more effort to clean up a diesel to fit it in something under GVW of 8500 lbs. So far it's been a competitive stalemate forcing upgrades to 3/4 ton. I agree that that liberty motor would fit great in, say, a stripped dakota.
I figure these are "trial balloons" and response must not be as serious as they'd like.
It takes significantly more effort to clean up a diesel to fit it in something under GVW of 8500 lbs. So far it's been a competitive stalemate forcing upgrades to 3/4 ton. I agree that that liberty motor would fit great in, say, a stripped dakota.
"The half ton that I'm wanting would have a diesel with less power than the 2500 or 3500 models. I want better mpg not 650 lb tq. MPG is what im after."
As I recall the original Dodge diesels only had 185 HP, don't know what the torque is. A couple of days ago I saw a Dodge Ram 350 diesel, the older funny looking ones, driving in the #1 lane while towing a larger backhoe. It didn't look like he fawned over what waxes and polishes to use for layering.
As I recall the original Dodge diesels only had 185 HP, don't know what the torque is. A couple of days ago I saw a Dodge Ram 350 diesel, the older funny looking ones, driving in the #1 lane while towing a larger backhoe. It didn't look like he fawned over what waxes and polishes to use for layering.
Manufacturers have been really burned by the new diesel emissions standards. If I were them, I'd be loath to bring out any new diesel vehicles until I was pretty much sure that the standards would be stable for ten years or so. That's what I think, although I'd love to see smaller-displacement diesel offereings.....
What year did the Dodge 1/2 ton + Cummins combo lose the good mpg due to emissions requirements (or whatever the reason was)?
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When they've tacked on more garbage and restrictions than it can withstand. Essentially making it a non-option in any sensible way.
We needed them 10 years ago.
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likely never... toolish joe schmuck driver can't analyze anything, and has to have the highest horsepower numbers possible, else they can't feel superior.
Im not holding my breath.
Where did that come from? Sounds like someone who quotes the highest gas mileage number....
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GM's 1/2 ton diesel is supposed to be coming in 2010... after the next round of emission changes. Supposedly, it will meet Tier 2 Bin 5 and LEV2 standards, making it 50-state legal. Size should be about the same as the current Gen IV small block.
Cummins also has a global engine family in the works in both 6 and 8-cylinders for 1/2 ton trucks.
Cummins also has a global engine family in the works in both 6 and 8-cylinders for 1/2 ton trucks.
The new 3.0-liter V6 in the Sprinter would be good for the Ram 1500. But probably overkill for the Dakota.
Forget the Liberty's 2.8-liter MV Motori engine -- Jeep had a contract for x number of engines, MV Motori lacks the capacity to build any more.
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How does Europe get away with a diesel in every garage? Are they choking on soot? A nice 4 cylinder Pukeout turbo diesel would suit me just fine in my Wranglers. Throw a decent MANUAL gear box behind it and enjoy an economical jeep.
The Wrangler is one of many vehicles which would benefit from a turbodiesel as the base engine. In fact there is no really good reason why a gasoline engine should even be an option for the Wrangler.
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