What part of "We close @5" don't people undestand?
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Originally Posted By: Chris142
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
The issue with OP I see is that they need an A/C at work. Working at 100 degree environment is not good business.
unfortunatly we are just a 2 person shop.Adding AC and paying the monthly electric bill is not in our imediate future at this point in time. Due to the economy we didn't even pay rent over the winter because we had no business. Now that summer is here were catching up on things.
We do have heaters for when it's cold but since they cost $600 a month to run we don't use those either.
You need to run a special in the paper something you do at cost of just the goods with no income for the labour like an oil change for $10 with tire rotation but do a multi-point inspection and tell them what else the vehicle needs in terms of filters, brakes, fluids etc. while they are there and make your money off the ones that say ok, fix it or replace it when you are there.
When my dad had his shop he made a killing by doing this... Then the following month he would do brakes at costs for the parts.
He always had something going.
Mobile signs out front that advertise to passing by traffic is good too!
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
The issue with OP I see is that they need an A/C at work. Working at 100 degree environment is not good business.
unfortunatly we are just a 2 person shop.Adding AC and paying the monthly electric bill is not in our imediate future at this point in time. Due to the economy we didn't even pay rent over the winter because we had no business. Now that summer is here were catching up on things.
We do have heaters for when it's cold but since they cost $600 a month to run we don't use those either.
You need to run a special in the paper something you do at cost of just the goods with no income for the labour like an oil change for $10 with tire rotation but do a multi-point inspection and tell them what else the vehicle needs in terms of filters, brakes, fluids etc. while they are there and make your money off the ones that say ok, fix it or replace it when you are there.
When my dad had his shop he made a killing by doing this... Then the following month he would do brakes at costs for the parts.
He always had something going.
Mobile signs out front that advertise to passing by traffic is good too!
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Sounds like a semi-partnership. He's probably carrying the capital outlay in equipment and whatnot ..but otherwise...
Vote for a good water cooler...mega floor fan ..and cross ventilation for the shop.
These people make high quality shop and industrial fans: http://www.bigassfans.com/the_fans
Sounds like a semi-partnership. He's probably carrying the capital outlay in equipment and whatnot ..but otherwise...
Vote for a good water cooler...mega floor fan ..and cross ventilation for the shop.
These people make high quality shop and industrial fans: http://www.bigassfans.com/the_fans
Originally Posted By: pbm
It's called IGNORANCE and it's quite common today.
It's called IGNORANCE and it's quite common today.
Are you sure this woman was driving a VW Jetta and not a Toyota Tacoma? From everything else, this woman sounds like my ex-wife, who just happens to live in Apple Valley.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Serious about what:
- 100 degree work environment not being a good business practice;
- getting the job done;
- not complaining about my job.
???
I think it's the part about not getting paid for the hours you're working. That is not the path to financial success.
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Serious about what:
- 100 degree work environment not being a good business practice;
- getting the job done;
- not complaining about my job.
???
I think it's the part about not getting paid for the hours you're working. That is not the path to financial success.
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
A friend of mine works the register @ a supermarket Saturday and Sunday nights. Store closes @ 10 on Saturday. Often she gets home @ 10:30-10:45 (she lives < 1 mile away) because they people just keep coming in the store. The front doors get locked so they drive around to the loading dock (store is staffed 24/7) and come in that way.
Management really needs to draw the line and just make up an excuse like "corporate disables the registers @ 10" to prevent people from doing this.
Management really needs to draw the line and just make up an excuse like "corporate disables the registers @ 10" to prevent people from doing this.
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Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Serious about what:
- 100 degree work environment not being a good business practice;
- getting the job done;
- not complaining about my job.
???
I think it's the part about not getting paid for the hours you're working. That is not the path to financial success.
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
That sorta position is fine if there's a down season or there's a BIG BONUS involved. Otherwise you can collect a lifetime of uneconomically realized recognition. Now if you're taking 60hours to do 40 hours worth of work ..and/or the alternative is walking aimlessly in the streets ..
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Serious about what:
- 100 degree work environment not being a good business practice;
- getting the job done;
- not complaining about my job.
???
I think it's the part about not getting paid for the hours you're working. That is not the path to financial success.
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
That sorta position is fine if there's a down season or there's a BIG BONUS involved. Otherwise you can collect a lifetime of uneconomically realized recognition. Now if you're taking 60hours to do 40 hours worth of work ..and/or the alternative is walking aimlessly in the streets ..
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
The average person would not give Stephen Hawking a run for the money, thinking -wise!
A little off topic maybe, but at present I don't think there's anyone on the planet that can give Stephen Hawking a run for the money, thinking wise.
but only about physics though. i bet i can outsmart him around my wife.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
The average person would not give Stephen Hawking a run for the money, thinking -wise!
A little off topic maybe, but at present I don't think there's anyone on the planet that can give Stephen Hawking a run for the money, thinking wise.
but only about physics though. i bet i can outsmart him around my wife.
Well, we'll never know for sure will we?
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
That sorta position is fine if there's a down season or there's a BIG BONUS involved. Otherwise you can collect a lifetime of uneconomically realized recognition. Now if you're taking 60hours to do 40 hours worth of work ..and/or the alternative is walking aimlessly in the streets ..
It's usually end of month or especially end of year closing of the books, or finalizing the budget prior to the new fiscal year.
One may view it as 'uncompensated work', or one may view it as 'an essential part of doing your job'.
Non-exempt employment is a little different. Legally, one needs to be paid overtime hourly wage if they go beyond the normal amount of hours. OP hinted at that in his post but what I did not like was the whole attitude of the other responses advocating working no more than 40 hours or implying that the customer was an idiot. The customer is the king. After all, it is the customer who pays an employee's salary.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
That sorta position is fine if there's a down season or there's a BIG BONUS involved. Otherwise you can collect a lifetime of uneconomically realized recognition. Now if you're taking 60hours to do 40 hours worth of work ..and/or the alternative is walking aimlessly in the streets ..
It's usually end of month or especially end of year closing of the books, or finalizing the budget prior to the new fiscal year.
One may view it as 'uncompensated work', or one may view it as 'an essential part of doing your job'.
Non-exempt employment is a little different. Legally, one needs to be paid overtime hourly wage if they go beyond the normal amount of hours. OP hinted at that in his post but what I did not like was the whole attitude of the other responses advocating working no more than 40 hours or implying that the customer was an idiot. The customer is the king. After all, it is the customer who pays an employee's salary.
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Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
If working that hard is making your boss rich, then it's wrong. He should share the wealth via overtime pay or some other compensation.
If working that hard is just to keep your job, then you must tell yourself that you're not being paid $15 an hour, but only $10 an hour.
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
If working that hard is making your boss rich, then it's wrong. He should share the wealth via overtime pay or some other compensation.
If working that hard is just to keep your job, then you must tell yourself that you're not being paid $15 an hour, but only $10 an hour.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
That is grounds for a law suit.
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
I'm salaried and I work as long as it takes to get the job done. A lot of times it's about 60 hours a week.
That is grounds for a law suit.
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
If this is washed out with some weeks where you do not spend full-time hours, then that is a different matter. However, if you are working 60 hours / week regularly then you should renegotiate your terms.
At my place of employment, which is with the state, what you've described is lawsuit material. Our policy is there is no overtime, no work from home (exceptions can be made), and nobody works off the clock. This eliminates such matters from becoming "ugly." I had a coworker sue (and win 250k) because she worked during holidays and overtime but was not compensated. Their "salary" argument failed to impress the mediator.
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
If this is washed out with some weeks where you do not spend full-time hours, then that is a different matter. However, if you are working 60 hours / week regularly then you should renegotiate your terms.
At my place of employment, which is with the state, what you've described is lawsuit material. Our policy is there is no overtime, no work from home (exceptions can be made), and nobody works off the clock. This eliminates such matters from becoming "ugly." I had a coworker sue (and win 250k) because she worked during holidays and overtime but was not compensated. Their "salary" argument failed to impress the mediator.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Serious about what:
- 100 degree work environment not being a good business practice;
- getting the job done;
- not complaining about my job.
???
You are so "academic".
Serious about what:
- 100 degree work environment not being a good business practice;
- getting the job done;
- not complaining about my job.
???
You are so "academic".
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
If this is washed out with some weeks where you do not spend full-time hours, then that is a different matter. However, if you are working 60 hours / week regularly then you should renegotiate your terms.
At my place of employment, which is with the state, what you've described is lawsuit material. Our policy is there is no overtime, no work from home (exceptions can be made), and nobody works off the clock. This eliminates such matters from becoming "ugly." I had a coworker sue (and win 250k) because she worked during holidays and overtime but was not compensated. Their "salary" argument failed to impress the mediator.
The state/government employees actually work?
All joking aside, the private sector is very different from the public sector. You guys get full benefits and retirement package. The rest of us are not usually blessed like that.
BTW, Indiana is an at will employment state. Try to pull this and you will be kicked out to the curb.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
If this is washed out with some weeks where you do not spend full-time hours, then that is a different matter. However, if you are working 60 hours / week regularly then you should renegotiate your terms.
At my place of employment, which is with the state, what you've described is lawsuit material. Our policy is there is no overtime, no work from home (exceptions can be made), and nobody works off the clock. This eliminates such matters from becoming "ugly." I had a coworker sue (and win 250k) because she worked during holidays and overtime but was not compensated. Their "salary" argument failed to impress the mediator.
The state/government employees actually work?
All joking aside, the private sector is very different from the public sector. You guys get full benefits and retirement package. The rest of us are not usually blessed like that.
BTW, Indiana is an at will employment state. Try to pull this and you will be kicked out to the curb.
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Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
If this is washed out with some weeks where you do not spend full-time hours, then that is a different matter. However, if you are working 60 hours / week regularly then you should renegotiate your terms.
At my place of employment, which is with the state, what you've described is lawsuit material. Our policy is there is no overtime, no work from home (exceptions can be made), and nobody works off the clock. This eliminates such matters from becoming "ugly." I had a coworker sue (and win 250k) because she worked during holidays and overtime but was not compensated. Their "salary" argument failed to impress the mediator.
While not fully versed on the differences between exempt and non-exempt salaried employment, there can't be a "routine" work load that is much in excess of 40 hours. Anything beyond 40+/- has to be "exceptional" ..like annual inventory.
All of these rules came about when someone would hire a manager for $200/week (back in the early 70's) ..but give him tasks that couldn't be completed in under 65-70 hours. The manager was making less than the hourly low end earners.
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If working that hard is making your boss rich, then it's wrong. He should share the wealth via overtime pay or some other compensation.
Really? According to some he should be genuflecting and grateful that he's been chosen to perform this service. Thousands of others would gladly be abused and exploited for that opportunity.
(who will be the first to say "if he thinks he's owed more- he knows where the door is"?)
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
If this is washed out with some weeks where you do not spend full-time hours, then that is a different matter. However, if you are working 60 hours / week regularly then you should renegotiate your terms.
At my place of employment, which is with the state, what you've described is lawsuit material. Our policy is there is no overtime, no work from home (exceptions can be made), and nobody works off the clock. This eliminates such matters from becoming "ugly." I had a coworker sue (and win 250k) because she worked during holidays and overtime but was not compensated. Their "salary" argument failed to impress the mediator.
While not fully versed on the differences between exempt and non-exempt salaried employment, there can't be a "routine" work load that is much in excess of 40 hours. Anything beyond 40+/- has to be "exceptional" ..like annual inventory.
All of these rules came about when someone would hire a manager for $200/week (back in the early 70's) ..but give him tasks that couldn't be completed in under 65-70 hours. The manager was making less than the hourly low end earners.
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If working that hard is making your boss rich, then it's wrong. He should share the wealth via overtime pay or some other compensation.
Really? According to some he should be genuflecting and grateful that he's been chosen to perform this service. Thousands of others would gladly be abused and exploited for that opportunity.
(who will be the first to say "if he thinks he's owed more- he knows where the door is"?)
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Really? According to some he should be genuflecting and grateful that he's been chosen to perform this service. Thousands of others would gladly be abused and exploited for that opportunity.
(who will be the first to say "if he thinks he's owed more- he knows where the door is"?)
Very true. I was driving through small towns in Indiana this past week and the grinding poverty in these places was quite depressing.
We spend billions of dollars as a country on I don't know what but drive around inner city or rural neighborhoods and it is very obvious that we should be fixing our society before trying to bring democracy or whatever to the others.
Really? According to some he should be genuflecting and grateful that he's been chosen to perform this service. Thousands of others would gladly be abused and exploited for that opportunity.
(who will be the first to say "if he thinks he's owed more- he knows where the door is"?)
Very true. I was driving through small towns in Indiana this past week and the grinding poverty in these places was quite depressing.
We spend billions of dollars as a country on I don't know what but drive around inner city or rural neighborhoods and it is very obvious that we should be fixing our society before trying to bring democracy or whatever to the others.
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No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
Didn't work that waywith me. I worked for a major RV Company as a purchasing agent and was unable to keep up working the normal hours. They expected me to work overtime and take work home. I refused, just simply refused. End result was I was gived 2 additional buyers to help with the work load and ended up Director of Purchasing for that division. In all my working life I refused to be bullied by a company and never was without a job, or laid off, or fired in my entire life. Maybe I was very good at what I did, ya think?
No, it's not. That's how the salaried world works. You have a job to do and you do it even if you burn the midnight oil or spend a weekend doing it.
Didn't work that waywith me. I worked for a major RV Company as a purchasing agent and was unable to keep up working the normal hours. They expected me to work overtime and take work home. I refused, just simply refused. End result was I was gived 2 additional buyers to help with the work load and ended up Director of Purchasing for that division. In all my working life I refused to be bullied by a company and never was without a job, or laid off, or fired in my entire life. Maybe I was very good at what I did, ya think?
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