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Must be I'm getting old. I remember my dad had a '54 Pontiac straight 8. It had no oil filter. I had a VW Beetle with only a screen. Both survived.

So, an oil filter is not essential to a car engine survival. That does not mean it can't contribute to long life. So, seems to me the most important attribute of an oil filter is reliability. The can should be strong enough to survive a surge in oil pressure. The filter element should be constructed strong enough to not come apart an end up in the oil stream. Actual filtration ability, to me, is vastly less important than reliability.
 
Guys who rebuilt VW engines that only had the screen saw shot bearings at 70K miles. I'd say not having good oil filtration was the main factor. There are plenty of studies by Caterpillar, etc that show that filtration does help prevent engine wear.
 
Removing particulates from the oil stream is unquestionably a good thing. But, in the grand scheme of things, if a screen worked for 70 K miles in a VW, even the [censored] filter should protect an engine for longer than the engine would survive for other reasons.
 
Could be ... use the cheapest filters you can find, or make one out of TP.
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The standard OCI back then was what............ 1000 miles?

Yep - no oil filter but they used oil bath air cleaners. Had to be careful with those.

55 Chevy no oil filter - but an option, I think by 57 it was standard.

Our 55 Chevy V-8 survived me and my brothers teen aged years and never had a problem even though we beat it hard.
 
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Yes, OCI was 1500 miles for the aircooled Beetle for severe service. That's why I added an aftermarket filter to my stock old VW. Many many years ago, Ford demonstrated that an inline full flow oil filter would increase crankshaft and bearing life by at least 50%.
 
Bearing tolerances today are so tight for thin oils, for fuel economy and startup wear, they really do need an oil filter.

A Toyota, built today, in a warmer climate with proper maintenance, can last 500,000 miles with ease.

Oil gets abrasive, and needs to stay in the crank to extract a solid AW film on all the parts. So it needs to be filtered.

The old rule of thumb is when a car hits 100,000 miles it was on it's last legs, and in a rust belt area, 100,000 kilometers.

Believe it or not, they aren't "made like they were in the good old days". And that is a good thing.

The environmental impact with new emissions systems and extended fluid life is greatly reduced too.
 
This topic is predicated on a general misunderstanding of the concept of filtration.

Filtration does absolutely nothing to protect an engine; it is a tool to clean oil. It is clean oil that helps extend the lifecycle of the equipment. This is a concept of direct versus indirect relationships. It is the difference between causation and correlation. There are two ways to achieve a clean and healthy sump load adequate to sustain desired wear performance. One is to filter the fluid, the other is to change the fluid. Two means to the same end.

With that in mind, we can see great increases in both sump longevity and also in fiscal savings by using an appropriate filter. A decent filter properly spec'd for any particular application will keep the oil clean for a desired amount of time, and that is a huge savings. Look at two hypothetic possibility that are probably fairly close to reality. Persume these are healthy engines and of modern design .....
- Car #1 runs no filter, and has 2.5k mile OCIs, and can sustain acceptable wear. The 4 qrt sump migth cost $12 per OCI; that's $48 for 10k miles.
- Car #2 runs a decent $5 filter, and can run a 5k mile OCI, and still attain decent wear. That's only two sump exchanges and two filters over 10k miles; a cost of $34.
Hence, it's cheaper to OCI less often as the filter extends the OCI duration for any acceptable level of wear.
In fact, I would contend that today's modern equipment and fluids could easily do the entire 10k and still see wear-rates drop; a cost of $17. But that is becasuse both the fluid and the filter are working in concert, as designed.

A filter will not greatly alter wear rates in the front part of an OCI. That is because of two things:
1) a filter is less efficient towards the front of it's lifecycle
2) the contamination rate (generally fairly constant) really is not high enough to overwhelm the add-pack until much later in the lube lifecycle

Therefore, if you OCI frequently enough, you see practically no difference in wear in shorter OCIs, with or without a filter. Only when you extend an OCI would filtration make significant shifts in wear rates that the oil would otherwise be overwhelmed.


If you buy/read SAE 2007-01-4133, you can see that using a decent filter (nothing super premium, just a normal filter) over an OCI stretching out to 15k miles has the wear rates going down. But the majority of wear is right after the OCI. Then the rates trend down as the tribochemical barriers are re-established. It is that chemical-physical film barrier that has the greatest affect on wear. Until it is upset, it just continues to get "better" for a long time.

The contamination of a fresh sump load is not nearly high enough cause horrid wear at the front of an OCI; it has to accumulate over time. So the filter is there to prolong that steady-state. But it really only becomes effective past the point that the oil would otherwise be overwhelmed. What actually bumps the wear rate up at the front of an OCI is the detergent/dispersent chemistry attacking the existing tribo-chemical barrier. After that is re-established and settles, the wear drops back down and continues down even as long as 15k miles. That is borne out not only in the SAE article, but also in my UOA macro-analysis database information as seen in my "normalcy" article.

In both micro and macro analysis, we can see that wear rates are not generally affected by using either standard or super-efficient filters in "normal" applications. So to some degree, the level of filter efficiency is not having an effect on the wear rates. That means that somewhere, before the efficiency does matter, there is some level of contamination that is incidental and inconsequential to the rate of wear. I have yet to see evidence that super-premium filtration makes a significant difference in "normal" applications (I exclude obvious situations where only "non-normal" can apply; I define "normal as short-to moderate OCIs with a healthy engine and typical use).

Don't construe this to mean filters are not important; they most certainly are. But you have to understand the relationship of direct causation and indirect correlation, and not only how but WHEN these come into play.

The synopsis?
At some low OCI duration, filters do very little.
At moderate OCI duration, filtration is important, but efficiency has seemingly no effect as long as a minimum threshold is achieved.
At long OCI durations, filtration makes a significant differnce (perhaps capacity even over ultimate efficency).



So to the OP, you question is "what is actually important"?
Well - that depends upon your OCI duration and the general healthy of your equipment.
 
Like anything things progress. Late Pontiacs and new VWs all have oil filters. I can only assume it is because of a tangible benefit. One of the more popular accessories in the air cooled VW scene is the spin on oil filter adapter.
 
What's important? Choosing a filter that fit's your OCI.

Don't use the $2 Quaker State's for 15,000 mile change's.

Don't waste your money on Mobil 1 filter's for 3k intervals.

Other than that, you'll get loads of miles out of your engines with whatever filter you opt to use.
 
Originally Posted By: Falken
Bearing tolerances today are so tight for thin oils, for fuel economy and startup wear, they really do need an oil filter.

A Toyota, built today, in a warmer climate with proper maintenance, can last 500,000 miles with ease.

Oil gets abrasive, and needs to stay in the crank to extract a solid AW film on all the parts. So it needs to be filtered.

The old rule of thumb is when a car hits 100,000 miles it was on it's last legs, and in a rust belt area, 100,000 kilometers.

Believe it or not, they aren't "made like they were in the good old days". And that is a good thing.

The environmental impact with new emissions systems and extended fluid life is greatly reduced too.


100k is still pretty much the limit here in NY. The engine and trans are fine ... there's just nothing left of the vehicle.
 
We seem to agree, sort of. An average or low end efficiency filter is as good as an expensive one if you change oil every 3 to 4K miles. But, my point is that other qualities of a filter are of more importance. If the filter fails because the can is made out of too thin a material, game over. If when you try to unscrew the filter the can distorts and bends and you spend 45 minutes trying to get it off your whole day is probably shot (That has happened to me, that's why I try to use Baldwin filters). If the filter material is wonderful, but was not secured properly and some comes loose and ends up plugging the line to your crank, bad news.

So, I think my point is valid. The quality of the filtration isn't that important to the average consumer.
 
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
This topic is predicated on a general misunderstanding of the concept of filtration.

Filtration does absolutely nothing to protect an engine

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The synopsis?
At some low OCI duration, filters do very little.
At moderate OCI duration, filtration is important, but efficiency has seemingly no effect as long as a minimum threshold is achieved.
At long OCI durations, filtration makes a significant differnce (perhaps capacity even over ultimate efficency).


interesting info, but can do with less hyperbole. you contradicted yourself at the top and the bottom.
 
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Originally Posted By: redbone3
We seem to agree, sort of. An average or low end efficiency filter is as good as an expensive one if you change oil every 3 to 4K miles. But, my point is that other qualities of a filter are of more importance. If the filter fails because the can is made out of too thin a material, game over. If when you try to unscrew the filter the can distorts and bends and you spend 45 minutes trying to get it off your whole day is probably shot (That has happened to me, that's why I try to use Baldwin filters). If the filter material is wonderful, but was not secured properly and some comes loose and ends up plugging the line to your crank, bad news.


Oil the gasket well and tighten by hand only to 2/3 turn after the gasket hits the mounting surface. That's worked for me for decades. Most people over tighten an oil filter and then find themselves cussing for an hour trying to get it off the engine.


Originally Posted By: redbone3
So, I think my point is valid. The quality of the filtration isn't that important to the average consumer.


Guess I'm not the average consumer.
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Is oil without filter fine as long as its not pushed too hard ? yes

but you have to remember cunsomers forget to do oil change, some dont care for it because the car's lease , some dont even respect their car to change the oil every once in a while.

I know a friend who hasnt done oil change in atlease 4 years and she complains about her car acting weird.


To counter this ( ^^^ ) and cheap oil. they put filter on , that helps the oil last longer and remove insolubles. making engine last longer, oil last longer , and forgive drivers who change oil way too late with [censored] oil.
 
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
This topic is predicated on a general misunderstanding of the concept of filtration.

Filtration does absolutely nothing to protect an engine; it is a tool to clean oil.


That's statement isn't really accurate because an oil filter absolutely does do something to protect an engine ... namely, filter out debris in the oil that can do damage to an engine. It may be an "indirect tool", or a "secondary tool" in the scheme of engine wear protection, but it's wrong to say a filter does "absolutely nothing to protect an engine". If that was the case, then not running a filter at all wouldn't even matter ... but we all know it really does when doing long OCIs. We just have a different way of looking at it.
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