Water Pump Failure

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It looks like the WP has had it on the Fusion. For a few weeks now I have had a slight noise coming from the front of the engine, but in the last couple of days it has gotten much worse. All along I thought it was the tensioner pully, but after crawling under the car I found a deposit trail coming from the pump. I have started the water draining and have a new WP ordered from O'Reilly's. It comes in at 10AM Monday. This ain't gonna be easy. Will update if I ever getter done.
 
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Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Not OEM? Why?


$32, Life time warranty, Easy to get seven days a week. The original wasn't bullit proof. Stuff like that.
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
88k? Not good.

Hope it turns out to be easier than you think!

Bill


Me to.
 
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Not OEM? Why?


Like Tig said the OEM is less than stellar the LAST thing I'd get is another one.

I'd try something else and HOPE for better.

Bill
 
bummer. I thought the same about the air compressor I have to replace. OEM? Well, the track record for the OEM air compressor in my car isn't that stellar...

Quick question, does the 4 cylinder use a direct drive pump like the 6 cylinder? At that price I'm guessing no?
 
Is this the one you bought? I don't know if your car has a 4 or 6 cyl, but this on matches the price you said.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail...8&ppt=C0331

cp4126_2.jpg


If this is the one you bought, I hope it works out for you. I don't know how much faith I'd put in a $32 parts store brand water pump.


Also, does anyone know if this is a common problem on these cars? Perhaps the genuine Ford part has been updated to a better design?

I've been doing a lot of work on my GF's VW recently. Some of the commonly failing parts have been updated over the years to better designs.
 
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Not OEM? Why?


Like Tig said the OEM is less than stellar the LAST thing I'd get is another one.

I'd try something else and HOPE for better.

Bill



And how would you be certain that the aftermarket pump can make it 88k?
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Not OEM? Why?


Like Tig said the OEM is less than stellar the LAST thing I'd get is another one.

I'd try something else and HOPE for better.

Bill



And how would you be certain that the aftermarket pump can make it 88k?


You don't. But you do know how long the OEM went. If the aftermarket one last 2 weeks then we know how long it lasts.

I'd bet it will last just as long if not longer. Plenty of WP go a LOT longer than that.

I've replaced one water pump in many decades of driving many different brand vehicles. And it had a LOT more than 88k on it.

OEM is not perfect. They just price it to be.

Take care, Bill
 
The replacement will likely be a Chinese made part. I've seen several fail quite early, in fact I have one on my car now that needs done (Bosch, done with T-belt).

While the OE pump may have failed relatively early, often times the replacements already have the issue (if any) addressed - sometimes it's just a fluke failure.

When I have the time, I'll yank the Bosch unit off and replace with an OE Hyundai pump.

An exception to the generally low quality of aftermarket pumps is the Altrom line from NAPA. They offer products (including but not limited to water pumps) from the actual OE supplier. The major downside that they're only for imports (Asian and some Euro).
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: wirelessF
Not OEM? Why?


Like Tig said the OEM is less than stellar the LAST thing I'd get is another one.

I'd try something else and HOPE for better.

Bill




This...
 
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Disappointed "10K" and Mobil 1 were not included in the text of his post... 8)


I'm just sorry XM doesn't make M1 coolant.
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Disappointed "10K" and Mobil 1 were not included in the text of his post... 8)


I'm just sorry XM doesn't make M1 coolant.
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But if they did you'd be all over it correct?
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Disappointed "10K" and Mobil 1 were not included in the text of his post... 8)


I'm just sorry XM doesn't make M1 coolant.
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But if they did you'd be all over it correct?
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No doubt.
 
Originally Posted By: stephen9666
Is this the one you bought? I don't know if your car has a 4 or 6 cyl, but this on matches the price you said.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail...8&ppt=C0331

cp4126_2.jpg


If this is the one you bought, I hope it works out for you. I don't know how much faith I'd put in a $32 parts store brand water pump. Thanks for the link.


Also, does anyone know if this is a common problem on these cars? Perhaps the genuine Ford part has been updated to a better design?

I've been doing a lot of work on my GF's VW recently. Some of the commonly failing parts have been updated over the years to better designs.


I'm sure this is it. Three bolt pulley as mine is. Glad to see it has an "O" ring instead of a gasket.
 
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Originally Posted By: The_Eric
The replacement will likely be a Chinese made part. I've seen several fail quite early, in fact I have one on my car now that needs done (Bosch, done with T-belt).

While the OE pump may have failed relatively early, often times the replacements already have the issue (if any) addressed - sometimes it's just a fluke failure.

When I have the time, I'll yank the Bosch unit off and replace with an OE Hyundai pump.

An exception to the generally low quality of aftermarket pumps is the Altrom line from NAPA. They offer products (including but not limited to water pumps) from the actual OE supplier. The major downside that they're only for imports (Asian and some Euro).


As your post here alludes to, it seems some foreign makes are harder to get quality after-market parts. A domestic vehicle like the OP is dealing with an a replacement with lifetime warranty isn't necessarily a bad move. It is a newer vehicle, so the 'issue' may not even be known yet, if it is widespread. I'm sure some with access could look for WP info on TSBs,etc ? My point is, it may not be addressed yet and the aftermarket already looks better now according to the OP. I'm sure he'll be able to examine more closely once the part arrives.

I do agree that the Altrom line is a good lineup from Napa, at least as far as buying replacement parts locally for foreign makes like a Honda, Toyota, etc. At least if you have to save and the dealer is wanting much more, Altrom is generally cheaper. Sometimes, other aftermarket for those have better deals are equally and sometimes better parts.

For instance, on my Civic I could have gotten an Altrom clutch kit of 2 sources with the Altrom label: an NKK or an Ultra-8.

I chose an EXEDY OEM replacement instead, for less money. So far so good.
 
Originally Posted By: The_Eric
The replacement will likely be a Chinese made part. I've seen several fail quite early, in fact I have one on my car now that needs done (Bosch, done with T-belt).

While the OE pump may have failed relatively early, often times the replacements already have the issue (if any) addressed - sometimes it's just a fluke failure.

When I have the time, I'll yank the Bosch unit off and replace with an OE Hyundai pump.

An exception to the generally low quality of aftermarket pumps is the Altrom line from NAPA. They offer products (including but not limited to water pumps) from the actual OE supplier. The major downside that they're only for imports (Asian and some Euro).

It might not be Chinese made. I've seen lots of remans from the US and Canada that sold for about 35% to 50% of OEM replacement that lasted just as long. As far as leaks go, unless there is a defect with the pull shaft or internal seals much of the longevity has to do with the prep work on the engine surface if old gasket has to be removed.

While working at a shop, I've seen a few of those old Ford V-8s on the F-series leak around some of the mounting bolts if they weren't torqued correctly. It was like the water found a poor seal by the gastket, followed the bolt down and then out of the engine due to adhesion/cohesion properties of water.

We had good luck with the A1 Cardone line about 80-90% of the time. If it is a poor design in the OE spec, that will propogate to all replacement parts as well.
 
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