Valvoline Restore & Protect

[Hohn]

i have seen the EP HM load up a filter on a few trucks. i think it runs pretty clean and is my favorite of their oils.

Does regular EP have a similar effect or is it the ester of the HM that does?

 

[buster]

It was speculated a while back that M1 HM EP used a good amount of AN. I have no idea if that's true. I'm not sure if the EP HM can clean more than the EP.

I'm of the opinion that they can clean, but limited to sludge and easier to remove deposits. I trust the Valvoline guy that worked for Infineum for 16 years when he said piston deposits are another animal and almost impossible to remove.

 

[BrendanC]

Does regular EP have a similar effect or is it the ester of the HM that does?

haven’t ever used the EP, always paid the extra for the EP HM (it won’t hurt anything) to clarify, talking about valvoline ep hm. i am not a fan of mobil products other than M1 0w-40 and delvac extreme.

 

[ChrisD46]

Well in truth, it was mostly group III PP and I went a bit too long on ODI sometimes by following the OLM to 0%. I figured the OLM was calibrated to petro and I could get away with it using at least a group III. I think that was true in terms of wear, but not cleanliness. And as I've posted, I've come to believe that cleanliness is actually the more important thing in a modern engine.

VRP is the right oil at the right time for the needs of many of today's engines. IMO.

My theory is that even name brand group III synthetics run for a 5K OCI is too long leading to deposits - especially oil ring deposits . My Hyundai / Kia always receive 3.5K to 4K mile / 6 month OCI’s with M1 which is being continued with VRP . *Even if I had another brand of vehicle with a similar 5 qrt. sump , I would continue with 4K mile max / 6 month OCI . Lastly , if I decided to use another oil again (after running VRP for at least 6 OCI’s) it would be with M1 0W30 ESP. However , when VRP cleans as well as it does and offers great wear control as it does - why even consider changing back to another oil ?

 

[Hohn]

However , when VRP cleans as well as it does and offers great wear control as it does - why even consider changing back to another oil ?

Why indeed.

One reason I went HPL instead of VRP in my GX was that frankly it's a pain to yank the skidplates and stuff to swap filters and I want to push OCIs as long as I reasonably can. While VRP is excellent in wear protection and cleanliness, it hasn't been proven in long OCI usage like HPL has. If I'd be dumping VRP every 5k miles, I can go at least double that on HPL and it costs nearly the same.

So if I can get no worse protection or cleanliness with HPL at no worse cost and deal with skidplates and such half as often, I will. I think I can, so I am.

If they ever make an EP version of VRP, then the economics will be pretty compelling if indeed the oil lasts 10k+ with margin.

 

[tired]

All we need is Euro grade R&P!!

Yep that would be the perfect oil for sure. I have to believe they are working on it. Not sure what the requirements from MB, VW, Porsche et al. are for releasing ingredient lists (like Dexos apparently requires), but that would be the only reason I can see that they don't release a Euro R&P.

 

[tired]

Does regular EP have a similar effect or is it the ester of the HM that does?

Given @Glenda W.'s experience on Valvoline EP, I do not think the EP will cut it.

Personally, when Valvoline says that VRP is their top of the line product, who am I to argue with them?